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### GUIDE ### [3][Background] [4][Synopsis] [5][Credits] [6][Episode
List] [7][Previous] [8][Next]
_Contents:_ [9]Overview - [10]Backplot - [11]Questions - [12]Analysis
- [13]Notes - [14]JMS
_________________________________________________________________
Overview
Delenn is recalled to Minbar to resolve a problem concerning her
relationship with Sheridan, and must finally face up to her role in
the Earth-Minbari War. Sheridan sends Marcus and Franklin to Mars
on a secret mission. [15]Brian Carpenter as [16]Callenn. [17]Reiner
Schone as Dukhat.
[18]P5 Rating: [19]8.55
Production number: 409
Original air week: February 24, 1997
Written by J. Michael Straczynski
Directed by Tony Dow
_________________________________________________________________
Plot Points
* After the last Shadow War, Valen, who was still genetically
partially human ([20]"War Without End, Part Two,") had children.
The children, fearing persecution because they weren't pure
Minbari, fled Minbar until after Valen's death. They returned and
had children of their own, spreading human genes through the
Minbari population to the present day.
* Valen's body was never found after his death.
* Delenn is a descendant of Valen, and as such had some human DNA
even before her transformation in [21]"Chrysalis."
* The Grey Council elected not to make contact with humans, who they
heard about through the Centauri. When the Grey Council's cruiser
came upon the human convoy some time later ([22]"A Late Delivery
from Avalon") only Delenn, who had researched humans in the
meantime, knew which race they belonged to. Dukhat realized that
the Minbari practice of approaching with gun ports open could be
dangerous, but before his order to close them could be carried
out, the Earth ships attacked.
* Enraged over the death of Dukhat, Delenn gave the order that
started the Earth-Minbari War. She was later unable to stop it
from proceeding.
* The Triluminaries used by the Grey Council were made specifically
for Sinclair. They activate in the presence of Sinclair/Valen's
DNA. They were made on Epsilon 3 and brought back in time by
Sinclair ([23]"War Without End, Part Two.")
* Franklin has given G'Kar a prosthetic eye, which can see and
transmit images to G'Kar's brain even when it's not in its socket.
Unanswered Questions
* Why was Valen's body never found? Is he perhaps still alive or in
suspended animation?
* In [24]"Babylon Squared," Delenn was given a triluminary and told
there were still two left. Why was Sinclair given three of them,
when only one was required to operate the chrysalis machine?
([25]"Chrysalis," [26]"War Without End, Part Two")
* Did Delenn maintain the secret of Valen's human DNA, allowing
Callenn to cover up for her as he suggested?
* Exactly what is the dreaming? Does it have a will of its own, or
does it simply stimulate the dreamer's subconscious?
* How far can G'Kar's eye transmit? Is it useful for spying
purposes?
Analysis
* Callenn said the number of Minbari with traces of human DNA were
beyond measure. A rough estimate can be made, however. If Minbari
couples have, on average, two children, and have children at age
fifty (since Minbari have longer lifespans than humans, a longer
delay between generations is plausible) then in a thousand years,
there would be twenty generations of Valen's descendants, the most
recent numbering about 1,000,000. That estimate assumes no
interbreeding among his descendants, and a variation in the number
of children of the first few generations could greatly alter the
number. Still, it's a useful discussion point.
1,000,000 probably works out to a tiny fraction of the Minbari
population, which, it's not unreasonable to assume, is many
billions of people spread across various worlds despite Lennier's
claim ([27]"Points of Departure") that Minbari population has been
on the decline for some time.
On the other hand, if Valen's descendants were markedly more
prolific than average Minbari, e.g. with a 30-year generation time
rather than a 50-year one (and both numbers are pure conjecture!)
there'd have been 33 generations, with 8,600,000,000 in the most
recent, in which case the term "countless" would easily apply.
Obviously interbreeding, very probable in a population that size,
would reduce the number markedly.
Either way, a substantial percentage of the Minbari population
most likely still has pure Minbari genes. This is supported by
Dukhat's reaction to the triluminary glowing when Delenn touched
it; if Valen's progeny were in fact a large percentage of the
population, presumably previous Grey Council members would have
triggered the triluminary.
* Callenn's horror at the prospect of human DNA mingling with
Minbari genes parallels the newscast in [28]"The Illusion of
Truth," which attempted to suggest that Delenn and Sheridan wanted
to introduce Minbari genes into humans. In fact, just the opposite
has occurred.
* David, Delenn and Sheridan's son ([29]"War Without End, Part Two")
will be a direct descendant of all three of The One.
* Dukhat's conversation with Delenn is echoed years later when
Lennier arrives on Babylon 5 ([30]"The Parliament of Dreams") and
she tells him the same thing Dukhat told her: "I cannot have an
aide who will not look up. You will be forever walking into
things."
In [31]"Rumors, Bargains, and Lies," Delenn said she'd been
training Lennier as Dukhat trained her. Delenn eventually
succeeded Dukhat as leader of the Minbari, both in this episode
and in [32]"Babylon Squared," though she turned the position down
in both cases. Will the parallel between Lennier and Delenn in her
youth continue into the future? Is Lennier destined to a prominent
place in Minbari society?
* Dukhat said he could override the Council's decision to avoid
contacting the humans. What is the relationship between the
Council and the leader? Do they simply serve as an advisory body,
with the final decisions ultimately made by the leader?
* Lennier's pledge to Delenn, to be by her side through fire, storm,
darkness, and death, echoes the pledge of the Nine to the One in
the Minbari ceremony in [33]"The Parliament of Dreams."
* Delenn feels responsible for the Earth-Minbari War. Her father
committed suicide, heartbroken over the war ([34]"Grey 17 Is
Missing.") Does Delenn thus feel personally responsible for her
father's death?
* Why did Dukhat suspect Delenn was descended from Valen? With so
many descendants, he couldn't have followed Valen's entire
bloodline, even assuming it was all documented. Perhaps he simply
researched the heritage of all the acolytes working with the Grey
Council.
* Delenn's childhood vision ([35]"Confessions and Lamentations,") in
which a figure appeared to her in a temple and said he wouldn't
allow "any of my little ones" to come to harm there, takes on new
significance now. If the figure was some kind of manifestation of
Valen, "little ones" might have referred to his descendants, and
the vision might have been Delenn's first clue that she was
somehow related to him. If so, the vision was probably a powerful
motivating force for her, perhaps even the source of her belief in
her own destiny.
If Delenn told Dukhat about the vision, or he found out about it
some other way, that might explain his suspicion that she was a
descendant of Valen.
* Did Dukhat know Valen was part human? Callenn was aware of it; was
it common knowledge among the Grey Council after Sinclair was
interrogated and the triluminary indicated his relation to Valen?
([36]"And the Sky Full of Stars")
* Do Valen's descendants have distinguishing features? Perhaps the
presence of human DNA explains why a small number of Minbari men
have facial hair, e.g. Dukhat, Draal ([37]"A Voice in the
Wilderness") and Kalain ([38]"Points of Departure.")
* In [39]"Soul Hunter," the soul hunter recalls that the Minbari
made a wall of bodies to stop Dukhat's soul from being taken.
Although soul hunters appeared as the battle began, no attempt to
stop them was shown, and Delenn was seeminly unaware of them as
Dukhat lay dying in her arms. Perhaps the soul hunter was speaking
metaphorically; there were so many Minbari dead that their ability
to sense death didn't lead them to Dukhat in particular. However,
since the soul hunter recognized Delenn years later, he must have
arrived at Dukhat at some point, perhaps after she ordered the
attack on the humans.
* Zack's discomfort with his new uniform mirrors his discomfort with
the Earthforce uniform in [40]"Voices of Authority."
* G'Kar is wearing rags around his eye in the flashforward in
[41]"War Without End, Part Two." Where was his eye? Destroyed or
discarded, or simply recharging or sending him images from
somewhere else?
* Ivanova is likely still the leader of half the Drazi on Babylon 5.
She wore the green leader's sash to the party. Presumably the fact
that all the formerly green Drazi are now wearing purple ([42]"The
Geometry of Shadows") didn't cause any problems.
Notes
* One of the heavy cruisers in the Prometheus convoy is the Hyperion
([43]"A Voice in the Wilderness, Part Two.") The name can be seen
briefly on the side of the ship in one scene. According to
coproducer George Johnsen, that was intentional, not just an
accidental reuse of a computer model, implying the Hyperion
escaped from the Minbari counterattack on the Earth base.
* A slight inaccuracy: The ship carrying Franklin and Marcus is
shown to have zero gravity. But the exterior shot shows its
engines firing. The resulting acceleration (in the vacuum of
space, any thrust will result in acceleration) would have pushed
all the objects in the cargo hold toward one of the walls. Of
course, it's possible the engines were glowing but not actually in
use; perhaps they were in some sort of standby mode.
* Continuity glitch: During the conference scene with Sheridan,
Franklin, and Marcus, Franklin is reading over his documents with
the folder flat on Sheridan's desk. When the view shifts to show
all three characters, Franklin is holding the folder.
* The tune sung by Marcus is [44]"I Am the Very Model of a Modern
Major General," from [45]"The Pirates of Penzance" by Gilbert and
Sullivan. Marcus misquotes the song slightly: he says, "quote the
facts historical," when the original lyrics are, "quote the fights
historical."
* Delenn's family name, Mir, may be a reference to Mira Furlan's
first name.
* Sheridan's line about his true face being mashed up against a
pillow and drooling was based on a
rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated message commenting on
[46]"Shadow Dancing," where the Minbari ritual was first
introduced.
jms speaks
* _Did Dukhat come out the way you imagined him?_
Yeah, that's pretty close to how I saw him in my head. Definitely
a bigger than life fellow.
* When I introduce a new character, I just kinda see a sense of the
character in my head, an outline...if you take off your glasses,
and you're nearsighted, that will give you some sense of it. When
an actor comes in and hits it, the character goes into sharp
focus.
* _Will Delenn appear in flashbacks with her pre-chrysalis
appearance?_
Yes, Mira got into the original year-one makeup. It's funny...when
I walked out onto the set, and saw her in that prosthetic, the
first words that came out of my mouth were, "It's *you*! I haven't
seen you in almost three years, how've you been?"
I don't think Mira quite knew what to make of me.
* Actually, though the tougher Delenn is in flashbacks in 2 weeks
[referring to this episode], the foreground/contemporary story has
her very tough, and very smart. Basically, the next mini-arc
sequence focuses a LOT on Delenn...she has many facets, and while
part of that is the relationship, there's steel there as well, and
we're going to explore that. As she at one point comments to
Sheridan, "I appreciate that you have come to care for what I have
become... but never forget who I am, or what I can do."
After this arc of hers, nobody's ever going to make that mistake.
* _How could Dukhat override the Grey Council, if he was simply a
member?_
There's the One, and the Nine...when Dukhat was alive, there were
9 grey council members and him as the head of it, making ten.
(Look at the picture and count the number of people.) 1 and 9.
Valen called together the Grey Council, formed the first one;
until then the castes had been in constant competition. He wanted
to operate outside of that a bit, so he made sure he was not one
of the Nine. That tradition has continued.
* _But when he introduced Delenn, there was an empty spotlight._
No, if you keep watching Dukhat comes in, followed by Delenn,
through the opening (the empty spot) and then another Minbari
comes in to fill that spot.
(Sudden thought...I have to check to see if we *used* that shot or
if it was just in dailies...but if you count the Minbari there at
the end of the scene, you'll find the count is correct.)
* Calenn was not Delenn's brother; the grey councilor speaks of
brothers in the generic sense.
Draal, in his first appearance, also had a small beard.
* Other Minbari have had facial hair; including Draal v1.0 and
Kalain in "Points of Departure." It's certainly not common,
though.
* _Who were the other ships at the battle?_
Those were Soul Hunters, who in the first season we learned showed
up to attempt to grab Dukhat's soul...they were prevented from
successfully boarding the ship by the Minbari, who threw up a wall
of bodies to stop them (which is why there were few around with
Delenn and Dukhat; Soul Hunters are a pretty advanced sort, the
terror of Minbari, and it took a lot to stop them). After Dukhat
died, Delenn went down and joined in, confronting them about this.
* Others in the Council died, as was noted when the one says, "Our
brothers?" "Dead," Delenn says. So there were others.
* _Won't Sheridan be upset when he finds out Delenn ordered the war?_
"Listen, honey, while you were out I went to the store and I
bought some new candles, you know how we're always running out,
and Lennier took the cat in to be cleaned, and oh, did I mention I
was directly responsible for the deaths of two hundred and fifty
thousand of your best friends and fellow officers? Pass the
sugar."
She'll never tell him.
Because it's over...what would be the point, except to ruin what
they have now.
* The reality is...in war, one does what one does. Afterward, as we
heal, we try to forget what we did, and what they did. He killed
as many Minbari as he could; she was on the Grey Council that
directed the war. One doesn't go into it.
* _Why didn't Sinclair leave Dukhat a message warning him about
meeting the humans?_
He could have left Dukhat a message...but tampering in the future
is VERY chancy business, and could even make things worse, for all
we know.
* _Did the triluminary sense Sinclair?_
Yeah, we showed it glowing when Sinclair was catpured. Since it
happened with Valen, they assumed it was because he had a Minbari
soul, maybe Valen reborn.
* Dukhat was not descended from Valen; yes, the Grey Council now
knows who Sinclair was; and general knowledge of what happened
would certainly have an upsetting effect on Minbari society, so
they will continue to keep it indefinitely back-roomed....
* Some Minbari on the Grey Council think that Sinclair opened up the
"soul door," for lack of a better term, and Delenn's actions can
be seen as a kind of back-fire, closing the door again. Ain't
necessarily what's true, but what they believe.
And yes, they would've had Delenn remain childless, but would be
allowed to marry a Minbari. And, again, it's a matter of marrying
a non-Minbari with or WITHOUT kids...it's a very inflammatory sort
of thing from a cultural perspective.
* _Did Delenn's human DNA allow her to undergo the transformation?
Will this be important in the future?_
Yeah, the human DNA definitely helped...and overall, this isn't so
much the arc as the overall story and history. It's filling out
the world.
* _Is it a coincidence that Delenn's family name is Russian for
"peace?"_
Yeah, there's that, and it nicely intersects with the fact that
Delenn is portrayed by MIRa Furlan. It's kind of a bank shot.
* Mir is her family; you are generally born into a caste unless you
at some point decide that the calling of your heart is elsewhere,
at which point you enter training for that other caste (with the
permission of your caste leaders) until such time as it's
finalized that that's what you want, at which time you're assigned
to a clan within that caste. If you choose to stay in the caste
you're born into, you automatically are in your familiy's clan.
* Lennier is religious caste; and all members of a given clan belong
to one caste.
There are, for instance, no religious caste members of the Star
Riders (military caste) clan.
_This seems to be contradicted by [47]"There All the Honor Lies,"
in which Levell, a warrior, was a member of Lennier's clan._
* _How does the dreaming know whose memories to probe? Is it whoever
drinks the drug first?_
I think the order or dominance of the drug is probably determined
by the contents of the script....
* "My question is, since we can see that the ship's engine is
running, why aren't all of the objects in the hold laying against
the bulkhead as a result of the ship's movement? Aside from that,
it was a pretty neat effects shot."
Because it's accurate; it's the same reason you don't see
everything slammed up against the back wall of the shuttle even
though it's circling the earth at thousands of miles per hour.
_Ed. note: This is wrong; that effect does occur on the shuttle
when its maneuvering thrusters fire, which is why shuttle crews
lock everything down during maneuvers. See [48]Notes._
* The ship with Marcus and Franklin *wasn't* spinning... hence, no
gravity.
* _Coproducer George Johnsen_
Re: your comment that the Hyperion was more likely a re-used
computer model. All of the models used in the show are stored
"nameless" with a link to the naming/numbering file that has to be
activated to add the name to the ship to avoid this kind of
problem. (Instigated when it happened on an earlier episode). The
ship in the picture is the Hyperion 'cuz Joe wanted it that way.
* There was the Prometheus, which was there; and others, including
the Amundsen. The one you saw, which looks a bit like the Aggy but
without the rotating section, is another, smaller class of
destroyer also seen, I believe, in [Severed] "Dreams."
* _How did the Earth ships hit the Minbari ships, if human targeting
systems can't lock on? Why weren't Franklin and Marcus floating?_
They targeted visually, it was close enough to do so.
A hit with full guns of a major destroyer and accompanying ships
will kill damn near any single ship that does not have some kind
of defensive screen going (fighers or counter-lasers or missiles
or the like).
The fightes were launched in main while on approach.
Franklin and Marcus *were* strapped in, which if you look more
closely you can see.
* _In your comments on [49]"War Without End, Part Two," you said
Valen had no children. Is your message right, or is the episode?_
What airs is considered canon; in 15 years, nobody's gonna be
hauling these messages around. But the show will still be on the
air. If it airs, it's canon.
And in another one of those posts, I did mention that on just a
couple of small occasions, I have fibbed when asked major story
arc questions to protect future storylines from being deflated....
* If you check the archives, when people said, "But what about the
relationship between Sinclair and Delenn we see?" (and this is
back a long time ago), I said that there is a relationship there,
yes, but it isn't what you think it is. Now we see what it was.
* _Minbari society doesn't seem to have been affected much by the
loss of the Grey Council._
The problems caused by the breakup of the Grey Council will form a
major part of the story arc about mid-season.
* _Was the song Jason Carter's idea?_
The song was in the script; Jason then had to learn it.
* _What was involved in using the song in the end credits?_
Nothing, really...we just grabbed one of the audio bits from the
day's filming and dropped it in.
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