The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5
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  4. _Contents:_ [9]Overview - [10]Backplot - [11]Questions - [12]Analysis
  5. - [13]Notes - [14]JMS
  6. _________________________________________________________________
  7. Overview
  8. Delenn is recalled to Minbar to resolve a problem concerning her
  9. relationship with Sheridan, and must finally face up to her role in
  10. the Earth-Minbari War. Sheridan sends Marcus and Franklin to Mars
  11. on a secret mission. [15]Brian Carpenter as [16]Callenn. [17]Reiner
  12. Schone as Dukhat.
  13. [18]P5 Rating: [19]8.55
  14. Production number: 409
  15. Original air week: February 24, 1997
  16. Written by J. Michael Straczynski
  17. Directed by Tony Dow
  18. _________________________________________________________________
  19. Plot Points
  20. * After the last Shadow War, Valen, who was still genetically
  21. partially human ([20]"War Without End, Part Two,") had children.
  22. The children, fearing persecution because they weren't pure
  23. Minbari, fled Minbar until after Valen's death. They returned and
  24. had children of their own, spreading human genes through the
  25. Minbari population to the present day.
  26. * Valen's body was never found after his death.
  27. * Delenn is a descendant of Valen, and as such had some human DNA
  28. even before her transformation in [21]"Chrysalis."
  29. * The Grey Council elected not to make contact with humans, who they
  30. heard about through the Centauri. When the Grey Council's cruiser
  31. came upon the human convoy some time later ([22]"A Late Delivery
  32. from Avalon") only Delenn, who had researched humans in the
  33. meantime, knew which race they belonged to. Dukhat realized that
  34. the Minbari practice of approaching with gun ports open could be
  35. dangerous, but before his order to close them could be carried
  36. out, the Earth ships attacked.
  37. * Enraged over the death of Dukhat, Delenn gave the order that
  38. started the Earth-Minbari War. She was later unable to stop it
  39. from proceeding.
  40. * The Triluminaries used by the Grey Council were made specifically
  41. for Sinclair. They activate in the presence of Sinclair/Valen's
  42. DNA. They were made on Epsilon 3 and brought back in time by
  43. Sinclair ([23]"War Without End, Part Two.")
  44. * Franklin has given G'Kar a prosthetic eye, which can see and
  45. transmit images to G'Kar's brain even when it's not in its socket.
  46. Unanswered Questions
  47. * Why was Valen's body never found? Is he perhaps still alive or in
  48. suspended animation?
  49. * In [24]"Babylon Squared," Delenn was given a triluminary and told
  50. there were still two left. Why was Sinclair given three of them,
  51. when only one was required to operate the chrysalis machine?
  52. ([25]"Chrysalis," [26]"War Without End, Part Two")
  53. * Did Delenn maintain the secret of Valen's human DNA, allowing
  54. Callenn to cover up for her as he suggested?
  55. * Exactly what is the dreaming? Does it have a will of its own, or
  56. does it simply stimulate the dreamer's subconscious?
  57. * How far can G'Kar's eye transmit? Is it useful for spying
  58. purposes?
  59. Analysis
  60. * Callenn said the number of Minbari with traces of human DNA were
  61. beyond measure. A rough estimate can be made, however. If Minbari
  62. couples have, on average, two children, and have children at age
  63. fifty (since Minbari have longer lifespans than humans, a longer
  64. delay between generations is plausible) then in a thousand years,
  65. there would be twenty generations of Valen's descendants, the most
  66. recent numbering about 1,000,000. That estimate assumes no
  67. interbreeding among his descendants, and a variation in the number
  68. of children of the first few generations could greatly alter the
  69. number. Still, it's a useful discussion point.
  70. 1,000,000 probably works out to a tiny fraction of the Minbari
  71. population, which, it's not unreasonable to assume, is many
  72. billions of people spread across various worlds despite Lennier's
  73. claim ([27]"Points of Departure") that Minbari population has been
  74. on the decline for some time.
  75. On the other hand, if Valen's descendants were markedly more
  76. prolific than average Minbari, e.g. with a 30-year generation time
  77. rather than a 50-year one (and both numbers are pure conjecture!)
  78. there'd have been 33 generations, with 8,600,000,000 in the most
  79. recent, in which case the term "countless" would easily apply.
  80. Obviously interbreeding, very probable in a population that size,
  81. would reduce the number markedly.
  82. Either way, a substantial percentage of the Minbari population
  83. most likely still has pure Minbari genes. This is supported by
  84. Dukhat's reaction to the triluminary glowing when Delenn touched
  85. it; if Valen's progeny were in fact a large percentage of the
  86. population, presumably previous Grey Council members would have
  87. triggered the triluminary.
  88. * Callenn's horror at the prospect of human DNA mingling with
  89. Minbari genes parallels the newscast in [28]"The Illusion of
  90. Truth," which attempted to suggest that Delenn and Sheridan wanted
  91. to introduce Minbari genes into humans. In fact, just the opposite
  92. has occurred.
  93. * David, Delenn and Sheridan's son ([29]"War Without End, Part Two")
  94. will be a direct descendant of all three of The One.
  95. * Dukhat's conversation with Delenn is echoed years later when
  96. Lennier arrives on Babylon 5 ([30]"The Parliament of Dreams") and
  97. she tells him the same thing Dukhat told her: "I cannot have an
  98. aide who will not look up. You will be forever walking into
  99. things."
  100. In [31]"Rumors, Bargains, and Lies," Delenn said she'd been
  101. training Lennier as Dukhat trained her. Delenn eventually
  102. succeeded Dukhat as leader of the Minbari, both in this episode
  103. and in [32]"Babylon Squared," though she turned the position down
  104. in both cases. Will the parallel between Lennier and Delenn in her
  105. youth continue into the future? Is Lennier destined to a prominent
  106. place in Minbari society?
  107. * Dukhat said he could override the Council's decision to avoid
  108. contacting the humans. What is the relationship between the
  109. Council and the leader? Do they simply serve as an advisory body,
  110. with the final decisions ultimately made by the leader?
  111. * Lennier's pledge to Delenn, to be by her side through fire, storm,
  112. darkness, and death, echoes the pledge of the Nine to the One in
  113. the Minbari ceremony in [33]"The Parliament of Dreams."
  114. * Delenn feels responsible for the Earth-Minbari War. Her father
  115. committed suicide, heartbroken over the war ([34]"Grey 17 Is
  116. Missing.") Does Delenn thus feel personally responsible for her
  117. father's death?
  118. * Why did Dukhat suspect Delenn was descended from Valen? With so
  119. many descendants, he couldn't have followed Valen's entire
  120. bloodline, even assuming it was all documented. Perhaps he simply
  121. researched the heritage of all the acolytes working with the Grey
  122. Council.
  123. * Delenn's childhood vision ([35]"Confessions and Lamentations,") in
  124. which a figure appeared to her in a temple and said he wouldn't
  125. allow "any of my little ones" to come to harm there, takes on new
  126. significance now. If the figure was some kind of manifestation of
  127. Valen, "little ones" might have referred to his descendants, and
  128. the vision might have been Delenn's first clue that she was
  129. somehow related to him. If so, the vision was probably a powerful
  130. motivating force for her, perhaps even the source of her belief in
  131. her own destiny.
  132. If Delenn told Dukhat about the vision, or he found out about it
  133. some other way, that might explain his suspicion that she was a
  134. descendant of Valen.
  135. * Did Dukhat know Valen was part human? Callenn was aware of it; was
  136. it common knowledge among the Grey Council after Sinclair was
  137. interrogated and the triluminary indicated his relation to Valen?
  138. ([36]"And the Sky Full of Stars")
  139. * Do Valen's descendants have distinguishing features? Perhaps the
  140. presence of human DNA explains why a small number of Minbari men
  141. have facial hair, e.g. Dukhat, Draal ([37]"A Voice in the
  142. Wilderness") and Kalain ([38]"Points of Departure.")
  143. * In [39]"Soul Hunter," the soul hunter recalls that the Minbari
  144. made a wall of bodies to stop Dukhat's soul from being taken.
  145. Although soul hunters appeared as the battle began, no attempt to
  146. stop them was shown, and Delenn was seeminly unaware of them as
  147. Dukhat lay dying in her arms. Perhaps the soul hunter was speaking
  148. metaphorically; there were so many Minbari dead that their ability
  149. to sense death didn't lead them to Dukhat in particular. However,
  150. since the soul hunter recognized Delenn years later, he must have
  151. arrived at Dukhat at some point, perhaps after she ordered the
  152. attack on the humans.
  153. * Zack's discomfort with his new uniform mirrors his discomfort with
  154. the Earthforce uniform in [40]"Voices of Authority."
  155. * G'Kar is wearing rags around his eye in the flashforward in
  156. [41]"War Without End, Part Two." Where was his eye? Destroyed or
  157. discarded, or simply recharging or sending him images from
  158. somewhere else?
  159. * Ivanova is likely still the leader of half the Drazi on Babylon 5.
  160. She wore the green leader's sash to the party. Presumably the fact
  161. that all the formerly green Drazi are now wearing purple ([42]"The
  162. Geometry of Shadows") didn't cause any problems.
  163. Notes
  164. * One of the heavy cruisers in the Prometheus convoy is the Hyperion
  165. ([43]"A Voice in the Wilderness, Part Two.") The name can be seen
  166. briefly on the side of the ship in one scene. According to
  167. coproducer George Johnsen, that was intentional, not just an
  168. accidental reuse of a computer model, implying the Hyperion
  169. escaped from the Minbari counterattack on the Earth base.
  170. * A slight inaccuracy: The ship carrying Franklin and Marcus is
  171. shown to have zero gravity. But the exterior shot shows its
  172. engines firing. The resulting acceleration (in the vacuum of
  173. space, any thrust will result in acceleration) would have pushed
  174. all the objects in the cargo hold toward one of the walls. Of
  175. course, it's possible the engines were glowing but not actually in
  176. use; perhaps they were in some sort of standby mode.
  177. * Continuity glitch: During the conference scene with Sheridan,
  178. Franklin, and Marcus, Franklin is reading over his documents with
  179. the folder flat on Sheridan's desk. When the view shifts to show
  180. all three characters, Franklin is holding the folder.
  181. * The tune sung by Marcus is [44]"I Am the Very Model of a Modern
  182. Major General," from [45]"The Pirates of Penzance" by Gilbert and
  183. Sullivan. Marcus misquotes the song slightly: he says, "quote the
  184. facts historical," when the original lyrics are, "quote the fights
  185. historical."
  186. * Delenn's family name, Mir, may be a reference to Mira Furlan's
  187. first name.
  188. * Sheridan's line about his true face being mashed up against a
  189. pillow and drooling was based on a
  190. rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated message commenting on
  191. [46]"Shadow Dancing," where the Minbari ritual was first
  192. introduced.
  193. jms speaks
  194. * _Did Dukhat come out the way you imagined him?_
  195. Yeah, that's pretty close to how I saw him in my head. Definitely
  196. a bigger than life fellow.
  197. * When I introduce a new character, I just kinda see a sense of the
  198. character in my head, an outline...if you take off your glasses,
  199. and you're nearsighted, that will give you some sense of it. When
  200. an actor comes in and hits it, the character goes into sharp
  201. focus.
  202. * _Will Delenn appear in flashbacks with her pre-chrysalis
  203. appearance?_
  204. Yes, Mira got into the original year-one makeup. It's funny...when
  205. I walked out onto the set, and saw her in that prosthetic, the
  206. first words that came out of my mouth were, "It's *you*! I haven't
  207. seen you in almost three years, how've you been?"
  208. I don't think Mira quite knew what to make of me.
  209. * Actually, though the tougher Delenn is in flashbacks in 2 weeks
  210. [referring to this episode], the foreground/contemporary story has
  211. her very tough, and very smart. Basically, the next mini-arc
  212. sequence focuses a LOT on Delenn...she has many facets, and while
  213. part of that is the relationship, there's steel there as well, and
  214. we're going to explore that. As she at one point comments to
  215. Sheridan, "I appreciate that you have come to care for what I have
  216. become... but never forget who I am, or what I can do."
  217. After this arc of hers, nobody's ever going to make that mistake.
  218. * _How could Dukhat override the Grey Council, if he was simply a
  219. member?_
  220. There's the One, and the Nine...when Dukhat was alive, there were
  221. 9 grey council members and him as the head of it, making ten.
  222. (Look at the picture and count the number of people.) 1 and 9.
  223. Valen called together the Grey Council, formed the first one;
  224. until then the castes had been in constant competition. He wanted
  225. to operate outside of that a bit, so he made sure he was not one
  226. of the Nine. That tradition has continued.
  227. * _But when he introduced Delenn, there was an empty spotlight._
  228. No, if you keep watching Dukhat comes in, followed by Delenn,
  229. through the opening (the empty spot) and then another Minbari
  230. comes in to fill that spot.
  231. (Sudden thought...I have to check to see if we *used* that shot or
  232. if it was just in dailies...but if you count the Minbari there at
  233. the end of the scene, you'll find the count is correct.)
  234. * Calenn was not Delenn's brother; the grey councilor speaks of
  235. brothers in the generic sense.
  236. Draal, in his first appearance, also had a small beard.
  237. * Other Minbari have had facial hair; including Draal v1.0 and
  238. Kalain in "Points of Departure." It's certainly not common,
  239. though.
  240. * _Who were the other ships at the battle?_
  241. Those were Soul Hunters, who in the first season we learned showed
  242. up to attempt to grab Dukhat's soul...they were prevented from
  243. successfully boarding the ship by the Minbari, who threw up a wall
  244. of bodies to stop them (which is why there were few around with
  245. Delenn and Dukhat; Soul Hunters are a pretty advanced sort, the
  246. terror of Minbari, and it took a lot to stop them). After Dukhat
  247. died, Delenn went down and joined in, confronting them about this.
  248. * Others in the Council died, as was noted when the one says, "Our
  249. brothers?" "Dead," Delenn says. So there were others.
  250. * _Won't Sheridan be upset when he finds out Delenn ordered the war?_
  251. "Listen, honey, while you were out I went to the store and I
  252. bought some new candles, you know how we're always running out,
  253. and Lennier took the cat in to be cleaned, and oh, did I mention I
  254. was directly responsible for the deaths of two hundred and fifty
  255. thousand of your best friends and fellow officers? Pass the
  256. sugar."
  257. She'll never tell him.
  258. Because it's over...what would be the point, except to ruin what
  259. they have now.
  260. * The reality is...in war, one does what one does. Afterward, as we
  261. heal, we try to forget what we did, and what they did. He killed
  262. as many Minbari as he could; she was on the Grey Council that
  263. directed the war. One doesn't go into it.
  264. * _Why didn't Sinclair leave Dukhat a message warning him about
  265. meeting the humans?_
  266. He could have left Dukhat a message...but tampering in the future
  267. is VERY chancy business, and could even make things worse, for all
  268. we know.
  269. * _Did the triluminary sense Sinclair?_
  270. Yeah, we showed it glowing when Sinclair was catpured. Since it
  271. happened with Valen, they assumed it was because he had a Minbari
  272. soul, maybe Valen reborn.
  273. * Dukhat was not descended from Valen; yes, the Grey Council now
  274. knows who Sinclair was; and general knowledge of what happened
  275. would certainly have an upsetting effect on Minbari society, so
  276. they will continue to keep it indefinitely back-roomed....
  277. * Some Minbari on the Grey Council think that Sinclair opened up the
  278. "soul door," for lack of a better term, and Delenn's actions can
  279. be seen as a kind of back-fire, closing the door again. Ain't
  280. necessarily what's true, but what they believe.
  281. And yes, they would've had Delenn remain childless, but would be
  282. allowed to marry a Minbari. And, again, it's a matter of marrying
  283. a non-Minbari with or WITHOUT kids...it's a very inflammatory sort
  284. of thing from a cultural perspective.
  285. * _Did Delenn's human DNA allow her to undergo the transformation?
  286. Will this be important in the future?_
  287. Yeah, the human DNA definitely helped...and overall, this isn't so
  288. much the arc as the overall story and history. It's filling out
  289. the world.
  290. * _Is it a coincidence that Delenn's family name is Russian for
  291. "peace?"_
  292. Yeah, there's that, and it nicely intersects with the fact that
  293. Delenn is portrayed by MIRa Furlan. It's kind of a bank shot.
  294. * Mir is her family; you are generally born into a caste unless you
  295. at some point decide that the calling of your heart is elsewhere,
  296. at which point you enter training for that other caste (with the
  297. permission of your caste leaders) until such time as it's
  298. finalized that that's what you want, at which time you're assigned
  299. to a clan within that caste. If you choose to stay in the caste
  300. you're born into, you automatically are in your familiy's clan.
  301. * Lennier is religious caste; and all members of a given clan belong
  302. to one caste.
  303. There are, for instance, no religious caste members of the Star
  304. Riders (military caste) clan.
  305. _This seems to be contradicted by [47]"There All the Honor Lies,"
  306. in which Levell, a warrior, was a member of Lennier's clan._
  307. * _How does the dreaming know whose memories to probe? Is it whoever
  308. drinks the drug first?_
  309. I think the order or dominance of the drug is probably determined
  310. by the contents of the script....
  311. * "My question is, since we can see that the ship's engine is
  312. running, why aren't all of the objects in the hold laying against
  313. the bulkhead as a result of the ship's movement? Aside from that,
  314. it was a pretty neat effects shot."
  315. Because it's accurate; it's the same reason you don't see
  316. everything slammed up against the back wall of the shuttle even
  317. though it's circling the earth at thousands of miles per hour.
  318. _Ed. note: This is wrong; that effect does occur on the shuttle
  319. when its maneuvering thrusters fire, which is why shuttle crews
  320. lock everything down during maneuvers. See [48]Notes._
  321. * The ship with Marcus and Franklin *wasn't* spinning... hence, no
  322. gravity.
  323. * _Coproducer George Johnsen_
  324. Re: your comment that the Hyperion was more likely a re-used
  325. computer model. All of the models used in the show are stored
  326. "nameless" with a link to the naming/numbering file that has to be
  327. activated to add the name to the ship to avoid this kind of
  328. problem. (Instigated when it happened on an earlier episode). The
  329. ship in the picture is the Hyperion 'cuz Joe wanted it that way.
  330. * There was the Prometheus, which was there; and others, including
  331. the Amundsen. The one you saw, which looks a bit like the Aggy but
  332. without the rotating section, is another, smaller class of
  333. destroyer also seen, I believe, in [Severed] "Dreams."
  334. * _How did the Earth ships hit the Minbari ships, if human targeting
  335. systems can't lock on? Why weren't Franklin and Marcus floating?_
  336. They targeted visually, it was close enough to do so.
  337. A hit with full guns of a major destroyer and accompanying ships
  338. will kill damn near any single ship that does not have some kind
  339. of defensive screen going (fighers or counter-lasers or missiles
  340. or the like).
  341. The fightes were launched in main while on approach.
  342. Franklin and Marcus *were* strapped in, which if you look more
  343. closely you can see.
  344. * _In your comments on [49]"War Without End, Part Two," you said
  345. Valen had no children. Is your message right, or is the episode?_
  346. What airs is considered canon; in 15 years, nobody's gonna be
  347. hauling these messages around. But the show will still be on the
  348. air. If it airs, it's canon.
  349. And in another one of those posts, I did mention that on just a
  350. couple of small occasions, I have fibbed when asked major story
  351. arc questions to protect future storylines from being deflated....
  352. * If you check the archives, when people said, "But what about the
  353. relationship between Sinclair and Delenn we see?" (and this is
  354. back a long time ago), I said that there is a relationship there,
  355. yes, but it isn't what you think it is. Now we see what it was.
  356. * _Minbari society doesn't seem to have been affected much by the
  357. loss of the Grey Council._
  358. The problems caused by the breakup of the Grey Council will form a
  359. major part of the story arc about mid-season.
  360. * _Was the song Jason Carter's idea?_
  361. The song was in the script; Jason then had to learn it.
  362. * _What was involved in using the song in the end credits?_
  363. Nothing, really...we just grabbed one of the audio bits from the
  364. day's filming and dropped it in.
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