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- _Contents:_ [9]Overview - [10]Backplot - [11]Questions - [12]Analysis
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- Overview
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- Delenn is recalled to Minbar to resolve a problem concerning her
- relationship with Sheridan, and must finally face up to her role in
- the Earth-Minbari War. Sheridan sends Marcus and Franklin to Mars
- on a secret mission. [15]Brian Carpenter as [16]Callenn. [17]Reiner
- Schone as Dukhat.
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- [18]P5 Rating: [19]8.55
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- Production number: 409
- Original air week: February 24, 1997
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- Written by J. Michael Straczynski
- Directed by Tony Dow
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- Plot Points
-
- * After the last Shadow War, Valen, who was still genetically
- partially human ([20]"War Without End, Part Two,") had children.
- The children, fearing persecution because they weren't pure
- Minbari, fled Minbar until after Valen's death. They returned and
- had children of their own, spreading human genes through the
- Minbari population to the present day.
- * Valen's body was never found after his death.
- * Delenn is a descendant of Valen, and as such had some human DNA
- even before her transformation in [21]"Chrysalis."
- * The Grey Council elected not to make contact with humans, who they
- heard about through the Centauri. When the Grey Council's cruiser
- came upon the human convoy some time later ([22]"A Late Delivery
- from Avalon") only Delenn, who had researched humans in the
- meantime, knew which race they belonged to. Dukhat realized that
- the Minbari practice of approaching with gun ports open could be
- dangerous, but before his order to close them could be carried
- out, the Earth ships attacked.
- * Enraged over the death of Dukhat, Delenn gave the order that
- started the Earth-Minbari War. She was later unable to stop it
- from proceeding.
- * The Triluminaries used by the Grey Council were made specifically
- for Sinclair. They activate in the presence of Sinclair/Valen's
- DNA. They were made on Epsilon 3 and brought back in time by
- Sinclair ([23]"War Without End, Part Two.")
- * Franklin has given G'Kar a prosthetic eye, which can see and
- transmit images to G'Kar's brain even when it's not in its socket.
-
- Unanswered Questions
-
- * Why was Valen's body never found? Is he perhaps still alive or in
- suspended animation?
- * In [24]"Babylon Squared," Delenn was given a triluminary and told
- there were still two left. Why was Sinclair given three of them,
- when only one was required to operate the chrysalis machine?
- ([25]"Chrysalis," [26]"War Without End, Part Two")
- * Did Delenn maintain the secret of Valen's human DNA, allowing
- Callenn to cover up for her as he suggested?
- * Exactly what is the dreaming? Does it have a will of its own, or
- does it simply stimulate the dreamer's subconscious?
- * How far can G'Kar's eye transmit? Is it useful for spying
- purposes?
-
- Analysis
-
- * Callenn said the number of Minbari with traces of human DNA were
- beyond measure. A rough estimate can be made, however. If Minbari
- couples have, on average, two children, and have children at age
- fifty (since Minbari have longer lifespans than humans, a longer
- delay between generations is plausible) then in a thousand years,
- there would be twenty generations of Valen's descendants, the most
- recent numbering about 1,000,000. That estimate assumes no
- interbreeding among his descendants, and a variation in the number
- of children of the first few generations could greatly alter the
- number. Still, it's a useful discussion point.
- 1,000,000 probably works out to a tiny fraction of the Minbari
- population, which, it's not unreasonable to assume, is many
- billions of people spread across various worlds despite Lennier's
- claim ([27]"Points of Departure") that Minbari population has been
- on the decline for some time.
- On the other hand, if Valen's descendants were markedly more
- prolific than average Minbari, e.g. with a 30-year generation time
- rather than a 50-year one (and both numbers are pure conjecture!)
- there'd have been 33 generations, with 8,600,000,000 in the most
- recent, in which case the term "countless" would easily apply.
- Obviously interbreeding, very probable in a population that size,
- would reduce the number markedly.
- Either way, a substantial percentage of the Minbari population
- most likely still has pure Minbari genes. This is supported by
- Dukhat's reaction to the triluminary glowing when Delenn touched
- it; if Valen's progeny were in fact a large percentage of the
- population, presumably previous Grey Council members would have
- triggered the triluminary.
- * Callenn's horror at the prospect of human DNA mingling with
- Minbari genes parallels the newscast in [28]"The Illusion of
- Truth," which attempted to suggest that Delenn and Sheridan wanted
- to introduce Minbari genes into humans. In fact, just the opposite
- has occurred.
- * David, Delenn and Sheridan's son ([29]"War Without End, Part Two")
- will be a direct descendant of all three of The One.
- * Dukhat's conversation with Delenn is echoed years later when
- Lennier arrives on Babylon 5 ([30]"The Parliament of Dreams") and
- she tells him the same thing Dukhat told her: "I cannot have an
- aide who will not look up. You will be forever walking into
- things."
- In [31]"Rumors, Bargains, and Lies," Delenn said she'd been
- training Lennier as Dukhat trained her. Delenn eventually
- succeeded Dukhat as leader of the Minbari, both in this episode
- and in [32]"Babylon Squared," though she turned the position down
- in both cases. Will the parallel between Lennier and Delenn in her
- youth continue into the future? Is Lennier destined to a prominent
- place in Minbari society?
- * Dukhat said he could override the Council's decision to avoid
- contacting the humans. What is the relationship between the
- Council and the leader? Do they simply serve as an advisory body,
- with the final decisions ultimately made by the leader?
- * Lennier's pledge to Delenn, to be by her side through fire, storm,
- darkness, and death, echoes the pledge of the Nine to the One in
- the Minbari ceremony in [33]"The Parliament of Dreams."
- * Delenn feels responsible for the Earth-Minbari War. Her father
- committed suicide, heartbroken over the war ([34]"Grey 17 Is
- Missing.") Does Delenn thus feel personally responsible for her
- father's death?
- * Why did Dukhat suspect Delenn was descended from Valen? With so
- many descendants, he couldn't have followed Valen's entire
- bloodline, even assuming it was all documented. Perhaps he simply
- researched the heritage of all the acolytes working with the Grey
- Council.
- * Delenn's childhood vision ([35]"Confessions and Lamentations,") in
- which a figure appeared to her in a temple and said he wouldn't
- allow "any of my little ones" to come to harm there, takes on new
- significance now. If the figure was some kind of manifestation of
- Valen, "little ones" might have referred to his descendants, and
- the vision might have been Delenn's first clue that she was
- somehow related to him. If so, the vision was probably a powerful
- motivating force for her, perhaps even the source of her belief in
- her own destiny.
- If Delenn told Dukhat about the vision, or he found out about it
- some other way, that might explain his suspicion that she was a
- descendant of Valen.
- * Did Dukhat know Valen was part human? Callenn was aware of it; was
- it common knowledge among the Grey Council after Sinclair was
- interrogated and the triluminary indicated his relation to Valen?
- ([36]"And the Sky Full of Stars")
- * Do Valen's descendants have distinguishing features? Perhaps the
- presence of human DNA explains why a small number of Minbari men
- have facial hair, e.g. Dukhat, Draal ([37]"A Voice in the
- Wilderness") and Kalain ([38]"Points of Departure.")
- * In [39]"Soul Hunter," the soul hunter recalls that the Minbari
- made a wall of bodies to stop Dukhat's soul from being taken.
- Although soul hunters appeared as the battle began, no attempt to
- stop them was shown, and Delenn was seeminly unaware of them as
- Dukhat lay dying in her arms. Perhaps the soul hunter was speaking
- metaphorically; there were so many Minbari dead that their ability
- to sense death didn't lead them to Dukhat in particular. However,
- since the soul hunter recognized Delenn years later, he must have
- arrived at Dukhat at some point, perhaps after she ordered the
- attack on the humans.
- * Zack's discomfort with his new uniform mirrors his discomfort with
- the Earthforce uniform in [40]"Voices of Authority."
- * G'Kar is wearing rags around his eye in the flashforward in
- [41]"War Without End, Part Two." Where was his eye? Destroyed or
- discarded, or simply recharging or sending him images from
- somewhere else?
- * Ivanova is likely still the leader of half the Drazi on Babylon 5.
- She wore the green leader's sash to the party. Presumably the fact
- that all the formerly green Drazi are now wearing purple ([42]"The
- Geometry of Shadows") didn't cause any problems.
-
- Notes
-
- * One of the heavy cruisers in the Prometheus convoy is the Hyperion
- ([43]"A Voice in the Wilderness, Part Two.") The name can be seen
- briefly on the side of the ship in one scene. According to
- coproducer George Johnsen, that was intentional, not just an
- accidental reuse of a computer model, implying the Hyperion
- escaped from the Minbari counterattack on the Earth base.
- * A slight inaccuracy: The ship carrying Franklin and Marcus is
- shown to have zero gravity. But the exterior shot shows its
- engines firing. The resulting acceleration (in the vacuum of
- space, any thrust will result in acceleration) would have pushed
- all the objects in the cargo hold toward one of the walls. Of
- course, it's possible the engines were glowing but not actually in
- use; perhaps they were in some sort of standby mode.
- * Continuity glitch: During the conference scene with Sheridan,
- Franklin, and Marcus, Franklin is reading over his documents with
- the folder flat on Sheridan's desk. When the view shifts to show
- all three characters, Franklin is holding the folder.
- * The tune sung by Marcus is [44]"I Am the Very Model of a Modern
- Major General," from [45]"The Pirates of Penzance" by Gilbert and
- Sullivan. Marcus misquotes the song slightly: he says, "quote the
- facts historical," when the original lyrics are, "quote the fights
- historical."
- * Delenn's family name, Mir, may be a reference to Mira Furlan's
- first name.
- * Sheridan's line about his true face being mashed up against a
- pillow and drooling was based on a
- rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated message commenting on
- [46]"Shadow Dancing," where the Minbari ritual was first
- introduced.
-
- jms speaks
-
- * _Did Dukhat come out the way you imagined him?_
- Yeah, that's pretty close to how I saw him in my head. Definitely
- a bigger than life fellow.
- * When I introduce a new character, I just kinda see a sense of the
- character in my head, an outline...if you take off your glasses,
- and you're nearsighted, that will give you some sense of it. When
- an actor comes in and hits it, the character goes into sharp
- focus.
- * _Will Delenn appear in flashbacks with her pre-chrysalis
- appearance?_
- Yes, Mira got into the original year-one makeup. It's funny...when
- I walked out onto the set, and saw her in that prosthetic, the
- first words that came out of my mouth were, "It's *you*! I haven't
- seen you in almost three years, how've you been?"
- I don't think Mira quite knew what to make of me.
- * Actually, though the tougher Delenn is in flashbacks in 2 weeks
- [referring to this episode], the foreground/contemporary story has
- her very tough, and very smart. Basically, the next mini-arc
- sequence focuses a LOT on Delenn...she has many facets, and while
- part of that is the relationship, there's steel there as well, and
- we're going to explore that. As she at one point comments to
- Sheridan, "I appreciate that you have come to care for what I have
- become... but never forget who I am, or what I can do."
- After this arc of hers, nobody's ever going to make that mistake.
- * _How could Dukhat override the Grey Council, if he was simply a
- member?_
- There's the One, and the Nine...when Dukhat was alive, there were
- 9 grey council members and him as the head of it, making ten.
- (Look at the picture and count the number of people.) 1 and 9.
- Valen called together the Grey Council, formed the first one;
- until then the castes had been in constant competition. He wanted
- to operate outside of that a bit, so he made sure he was not one
- of the Nine. That tradition has continued.
- * _But when he introduced Delenn, there was an empty spotlight._
- No, if you keep watching Dukhat comes in, followed by Delenn,
- through the opening (the empty spot) and then another Minbari
- comes in to fill that spot.
- (Sudden thought...I have to check to see if we *used* that shot or
- if it was just in dailies...but if you count the Minbari there at
- the end of the scene, you'll find the count is correct.)
- * Calenn was not Delenn's brother; the grey councilor speaks of
- brothers in the generic sense.
- Draal, in his first appearance, also had a small beard.
- * Other Minbari have had facial hair; including Draal v1.0 and
- Kalain in "Points of Departure." It's certainly not common,
- though.
- * _Who were the other ships at the battle?_
- Those were Soul Hunters, who in the first season we learned showed
- up to attempt to grab Dukhat's soul...they were prevented from
- successfully boarding the ship by the Minbari, who threw up a wall
- of bodies to stop them (which is why there were few around with
- Delenn and Dukhat; Soul Hunters are a pretty advanced sort, the
- terror of Minbari, and it took a lot to stop them). After Dukhat
- died, Delenn went down and joined in, confronting them about this.
- * Others in the Council died, as was noted when the one says, "Our
- brothers?" "Dead," Delenn says. So there were others.
- * _Won't Sheridan be upset when he finds out Delenn ordered the war?_
- "Listen, honey, while you were out I went to the store and I
- bought some new candles, you know how we're always running out,
- and Lennier took the cat in to be cleaned, and oh, did I mention I
- was directly responsible for the deaths of two hundred and fifty
- thousand of your best friends and fellow officers? Pass the
- sugar."
- She'll never tell him.
- Because it's over...what would be the point, except to ruin what
- they have now.
- * The reality is...in war, one does what one does. Afterward, as we
- heal, we try to forget what we did, and what they did. He killed
- as many Minbari as he could; she was on the Grey Council that
- directed the war. One doesn't go into it.
- * _Why didn't Sinclair leave Dukhat a message warning him about
- meeting the humans?_
- He could have left Dukhat a message...but tampering in the future
- is VERY chancy business, and could even make things worse, for all
- we know.
- * _Did the triluminary sense Sinclair?_
- Yeah, we showed it glowing when Sinclair was catpured. Since it
- happened with Valen, they assumed it was because he had a Minbari
- soul, maybe Valen reborn.
- * Dukhat was not descended from Valen; yes, the Grey Council now
- knows who Sinclair was; and general knowledge of what happened
- would certainly have an upsetting effect on Minbari society, so
- they will continue to keep it indefinitely back-roomed....
- * Some Minbari on the Grey Council think that Sinclair opened up the
- "soul door," for lack of a better term, and Delenn's actions can
- be seen as a kind of back-fire, closing the door again. Ain't
- necessarily what's true, but what they believe.
- And yes, they would've had Delenn remain childless, but would be
- allowed to marry a Minbari. And, again, it's a matter of marrying
- a non-Minbari with or WITHOUT kids...it's a very inflammatory sort
- of thing from a cultural perspective.
- * _Did Delenn's human DNA allow her to undergo the transformation?
- Will this be important in the future?_
- Yeah, the human DNA definitely helped...and overall, this isn't so
- much the arc as the overall story and history. It's filling out
- the world.
- * _Is it a coincidence that Delenn's family name is Russian for
- "peace?"_
- Yeah, there's that, and it nicely intersects with the fact that
- Delenn is portrayed by MIRa Furlan. It's kind of a bank shot.
- * Mir is her family; you are generally born into a caste unless you
- at some point decide that the calling of your heart is elsewhere,
- at which point you enter training for that other caste (with the
- permission of your caste leaders) until such time as it's
- finalized that that's what you want, at which time you're assigned
- to a clan within that caste. If you choose to stay in the caste
- you're born into, you automatically are in your familiy's clan.
- * Lennier is religious caste; and all members of a given clan belong
- to one caste.
- There are, for instance, no religious caste members of the Star
- Riders (military caste) clan.
- _This seems to be contradicted by [47]"There All the Honor Lies,"
- in which Levell, a warrior, was a member of Lennier's clan._
- * _How does the dreaming know whose memories to probe? Is it whoever
- drinks the drug first?_
- I think the order or dominance of the drug is probably determined
- by the contents of the script....
- * "My question is, since we can see that the ship's engine is
- running, why aren't all of the objects in the hold laying against
- the bulkhead as a result of the ship's movement? Aside from that,
- it was a pretty neat effects shot."
- Because it's accurate; it's the same reason you don't see
- everything slammed up against the back wall of the shuttle even
- though it's circling the earth at thousands of miles per hour.
- _Ed. note: This is wrong; that effect does occur on the shuttle
- when its maneuvering thrusters fire, which is why shuttle crews
- lock everything down during maneuvers. See [48]Notes._
- * The ship with Marcus and Franklin *wasn't* spinning... hence, no
- gravity.
- * _Coproducer George Johnsen_
- Re: your comment that the Hyperion was more likely a re-used
- computer model. All of the models used in the show are stored
- "nameless" with a link to the naming/numbering file that has to be
- activated to add the name to the ship to avoid this kind of
- problem. (Instigated when it happened on an earlier episode). The
- ship in the picture is the Hyperion 'cuz Joe wanted it that way.
- * There was the Prometheus, which was there; and others, including
- the Amundsen. The one you saw, which looks a bit like the Aggy but
- without the rotating section, is another, smaller class of
- destroyer also seen, I believe, in [Severed] "Dreams."
- * _How did the Earth ships hit the Minbari ships, if human targeting
- systems can't lock on? Why weren't Franklin and Marcus floating?_
- They targeted visually, it was close enough to do so.
- A hit with full guns of a major destroyer and accompanying ships
- will kill damn near any single ship that does not have some kind
- of defensive screen going (fighers or counter-lasers or missiles
- or the like).
- The fightes were launched in main while on approach.
- Franklin and Marcus *were* strapped in, which if you look more
- closely you can see.
- * _In your comments on [49]"War Without End, Part Two," you said
- Valen had no children. Is your message right, or is the episode?_
- What airs is considered canon; in 15 years, nobody's gonna be
- hauling these messages around. But the show will still be on the
- air. If it airs, it's canon.
- And in another one of those posts, I did mention that on just a
- couple of small occasions, I have fibbed when asked major story
- arc questions to protect future storylines from being deflated....
- * If you check the archives, when people said, "But what about the
- relationship between Sinclair and Delenn we see?" (and this is
- back a long time ago), I said that there is a relationship there,
- yes, but it isn't what you think it is. Now we see what it was.
- * _Minbari society doesn't seem to have been affected much by the
- loss of the Grey Council._
- The problems caused by the breakup of the Grey Council will form a
- major part of the story arc about mid-season.
- * _Was the song Jason Carter's idea?_
- The song was in the script; Jason then had to learn it.
- * _What was involved in using the song in the end credits?_
- Nothing, really...we just grabbed one of the audio bits from the
- day's filming and dropped it in.
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