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### GUIDE ### [3][Background] [4][Synopsis] [5][Credits] [6][Episode
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_Contents:_ [9]Overview - [10]Backplot - [11]Questions - [12]Analysis
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- [13]Notes - [14]JMS
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Overview
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Delenn is in danger when a soul hunter, an alien who captures the
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souls of the dying, arrives at the station. [15]W. Morgan Sheppard
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as Soul Hunter #1. [16]John Snyder as Soul Hunter #2.
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Sub-genre: Suspense
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[17]P5 Rating: [18]7.05
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Production number: 102
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Original air date: February 2, 1994
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Written by J. Michael Straczynski
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Directed by Jim Johnston
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Watch For
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* The Soul Hunter mentions the death of someone to Sinclair. That
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name will come up again.
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* [19]A fluid flowing the wrong way.
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Backplot
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* The soul hunter of this episode has visited Earth before.
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* Minbari are trained from childhood to protect their souls from
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soul hunters.
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* The soul hunter had a unique perspective on a significant event in
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Minbari history:
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[to Sinclair] "Minbari: jealous, selfish, private. We have saved
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only a few - very rare. The rarest of all, their leader Dukat,
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dying; your fault, your war; the pinnacle of Minbari evolution. We
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came, I, others. They made a wall of bodies to stop us! He died.
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And his dreams, his ideas - all that he was, all that he could ever
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be - gone... wasted... jealous..."
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Later he recognizes Delenn from the Grey Council, which was
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responsible for stopping him.
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Unanswered Questions
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* Why do all races but humans know about soul hunters? Since they
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all share the Minbari's fear of them, do most of them share the
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[20]Minbari belief in reincarnation?
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* Why are so many non-humans [21]moving to Earth? They must face a
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fair amount of prejudice there. (cf: [22]"The War Prayer")
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* What are the "certain classes" of Minbari in which Delenn says
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soul hunters have always taken a particular interest?
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* "Your fault, your war," says the soul hunter to Sinclair,
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recounting [23]Dukat's death. Was he referring to humans in
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general, Sinclair in particular, or Dukat?
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* "If only you could see," says the soul hunter to Franklin.
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Apparently he can actually observe the soul's departure from a
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dying body. Later we see, possibly through Delenn's eyes, a blue
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wispy something escape as she breaks a soul vessel. Does this mean
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that Minbari too can see souls?
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* With a glimpse into Delenn's soul, the soul hunter exclaims, "You
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would plan such a thing? You would _do_ such a thing? Incredible."
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He's had a long history with the Minbari - what would so surprise
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him? (Revealed in [24]"Chrysalis" and [25]"Revelations")
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* Recovering in Medlab, Delenn says to Sinclair, "I knew you would
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come. We were right about you." Clearly, the Minbari have made
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predictions about him. However, Sinclair didn't really prove
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anything about his character by rescuing Delenn - someone else
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could easily have been the one to find her. Perhaps he's just
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fulfilled part of a prophecy, thereby confirming his role in it.
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(cf: [26]"Parliament of Dreams")
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* Combining the above questions, does Delenn's incredible plan
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involve the Minbari predictions about Sinclair?
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* As the soul hunter himself challenged, why is one of the great
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Minbari leaders acting as their ambassador on Babylon 5? Sinclair
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is now wondering the same thing.
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Analysis
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* Delenn meets Sinclair just as he's going to check out the injured
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pilot, and offers to help him ID the fellow. She has a knack for
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being at the right place at the right time. (cf: [27]"The
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Gathering").
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* Sinclair did not call for backup when he encountered the soul
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hunter, even though there were four others nearby searching for
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Delenn. He has a tendency to put himself into dangerous
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situations. (cf: [28]"Infection")
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* During this episode there are three different stories told about
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the soul. Sinclair heard all three, and doesn't know which to
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believe. All he knows is what he saw.
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_Franklin:_
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There is no soul that survives the body. With advanced
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technology, he allows, one could preserve a record of
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someone's personality, but death is death.
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_Delenn:_
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All sentients have immortal souls. When a Minbari dies
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its soul merges with the souls of other dead Minbari.
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These are recycled into future generations, so as
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individuals advance their own souls, the Minbari as a
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whole advance.
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_soul hunter:_
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All sentients have _ephemeral_ souls. When a person dies,
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the soul expires into oblivion. However, soul hunters
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have a prescient attraction to death - if they so choose
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they can capture and preserve a soul "for the greater
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good" at the moment it leaves the body. They carry with
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them a bag full of the souls they have "saved", each in
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its own glass vessel.
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For a Minbari, the soul hunter's method of preservation is true
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death, for it cuts a soul off from the rest and diminishes the
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next generation; for a soul hunter, the true loss is _uncollected_
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souls.
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These are completely irreconcilable belief systems.
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Notes
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* Dr. Franklin arrives on the starliner Asimov, which we see again
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later.
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* Dr. Kyle is on his way to a new assignment working with the
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president. He's much needed there what with "so many aliens
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migrating to Earth," as Franklin puts it.
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* The average human lifespan is almost 100 years.
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* Ivanova conducts a simple funeral with these words: "From the
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stars we came, and to the stars we return, from now until the end
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of time. We therefore commit this body to the deep."
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* The soul hunter tells Sinclair his opinion of the Minbari: "pale,
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bloodless, look in their eyes and see nothing but mirrors,
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infinities of reflection..."
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* When Delenn is recovering in medlab at the end of the episode,
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she's attached to a machine that should presumably be pumping
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blood back into her body. But the fluid is flowing out of her
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instead. The shot was played backwards so the director could get
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the camera movement he wanted.
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jms speaks
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* Well, I just saw a cut of the episode that's going to air second,
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the one guest-starring Morgan Shepherd. Oh, man...on the question
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of Did you learn anything from the pilot...this thing *moves* like
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a sumbitch. It's a very unusual, very *creepy* episode in many
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ways. And filled with character stuff...and a good bit of
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background about some of our characters rendered in active ways.
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I'm really dying to see what people think of this one when it
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airs. It manages to take what would normally be considered a
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science *fantasy* issue, and deal with it from a science fiction
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perspective, without compromising on the latter at all. It's a
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very, *very* strong episode.
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* _Who's right, the soul hunter or the minbari?_
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Yes.
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* We leave the question open: Is he actually taking souls, or simply
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encoding the personality matrix and, in essence, creating an
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artificial version of the individual's personality?
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* The various characters take their own stands, which vary. Franklin
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only considers the possibility of cloning someone's personality
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matrix, for instance. And again, it depends on how you *define*
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soul. The Soul Hunter defines it not as something supernatural,
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but as the collection of thoughts, personality, feelings and the
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very essence of the person that dies with the body. That
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definition is broad enough to encompass just about anything. Then
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you get into the more specific ideas of what a soul is.
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One person at a post production house we've used has indicated
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that he has "theological problems" with working on that episode;
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not because it's *against* what he believes -- he's worked on
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horror movies and stuff with devils and the like -- but because it
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takes a point of view he doesn't much like...in that he has to sit
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and defend the whole *context* of his ideas...meaning, it's making
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him think. He can just poo-poo the stuff against what he believes,
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support what he does believe in...but he isn't quite sure where
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this show comes down, or where it makes *him* come down. I've had
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any number of problems with people on a show before, but this is
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the first time I've run into a theological problem.
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* What the soul was, who's right, and even whether this is SF or
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Science Fantasy, was it explained enough to merit one over the
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other ... how can I put this...? I don't want to spoon-feed stuff
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to people. What I want is not to hit someone with a MORAL, or a
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message, or "This is what a soul is," or "This is what makes it an
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SF series," I want to start discussions. Arguments. Preferably a
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bar fight or two.
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We present an issue. Here are the sides. Now...what do YOU think
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about it? I want this show to ask, "Who are you? Where are you
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going?" That's half the fun. Some of my favorites pastimes in
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college were sitting in the commons, or the library, arguing this
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stuff from every possible angle. You think I'm gonna tell you what
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to think? What it means? No. The goal is to provoke discussion.
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Preferably passionate discussion.
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Otherwise I might as well just start renting billboards and
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putting up signs.
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* Re: why soul hunter #1's ship was out of control...the second soul
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hunter comments that they've been tracking him, and caught up with
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him a few days ago. They attacked, "and he escaped, his ship
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damaged." That is what brought him here...and led his pursuers to
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this place as well.
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* _Will we see more soul hunters?_
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Eventually.
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* And yes, humans would probably have *heard* of Soul Hunters,
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distantly, as a legend. I see no reason why they would believe
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they existed, particularly with a title like that, unless and
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until actually encountering one.
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* Re: Sinclair's actions toward the Soul Hunter...the device he uses
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was trained on Delenn. It was spiraling up to full power
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throughout the scene. Just as Sinclair's thrown, you see it
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starting to come to critical mass...it's shooting at Delenn. There
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isn't/wasn't time to sit there and figure out how it works, and
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shut off the right button. He turned it so that it faced away from
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her...and the Hunter was caught in his own machine.
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There was nowhere else to go with the machine.
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* In "Soul Hunter," Franklin notes that the average human life span
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is now about a hundred years. It's quite a bit longer for the
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other races; G'Kar is about 70 or more, but is considered
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mid-range, equal to a human in early 40s, among Narns. Delenn is
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in about the same position, equal to 30s-40s in her terms, but in
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years a bit older. They are a pretty long lived people. Centauri
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aren't quite as long-lived, but they do a bit better than the
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Narns. The Vorlons......are.
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* To the question about a Soul Hunter's strength...yes, it is *very*
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considerable. Even with one arm he was able to slam the hell out
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of the commander, pick him up and again slam him against a wall
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before throwing him about 10 feet across the room. Had he not been
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stopped, and stopped good, yes, he would've torn Sinclair to
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ribbons.
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* Delenn was shattering the soul globes in order to let the souls
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escape, rather than playing with them. Look on the floor around
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her, and you'll see shattered globes. There should also be a sound
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of them breaking in her hands, the light goes out, and something
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escapes....
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* You're most definitely welcome; it was something we did to honor
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Asimov, who determined the shape of this genre for many writers.
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* Why is part of me tempted to decide that around the year 2223 the
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most revered figure in Earthforce Command was General Ira Asimov,
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a brilliant strategist for whom the liner was named....?
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There are certain benefits to a design-your-own-future
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universe....
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* I deeply admired Asimov. Harlan Ellison, this series consultant,
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was as dear a friend to Asimov as anyone could be. I named the
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starliner after Asimov shortly after his death, because I will
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personally miss him, and for Harlan, as his friend.
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* In your complaints regarding the commander flying off on
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occasional missions (and he only does it about 3 times out of 22
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episodes, so I hardly see this as a problem), you are forgetting
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several other *realities* of military life. If you're a pilot,
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even as a commander, you have to log in X-number of hours flying
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time per month in order to continue to qualify for flight pay.
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This is a *requirement*. And it doesn't just mean flying around
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the station a few times.
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Second, many commanders -- as recently as Vietnam and afterward --
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did and continue to go out on missions and sorties because it is
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rather expected of them, and because it maintains the respect of
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the rest of the squadron(s).
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Third, and possibly most important, Earthforce is the same as the
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contermporary Air Force in one important respect: promotion up the
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ranks is tied *directly* to combat experience and, in this case,
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combat flying. That's why women fighter pilots and helicopter
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pilots have been fighting so *vigorously* to be allowed to fly
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combat missions; they know that they can't be promoted fully up
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the line without that. Sinclair has no desire to be a commander
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all his life, he'd like to move on. Hence it behooves him to get
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in combat time whenever possible.
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Your statement that it "doesn't wash" has nothing to do with how
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the military *actually* works, and everything to do with the
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skewed and inaccurate portrayal of the military that you get from
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Trek. This is absolutely legitimate, and the B5 mailbox these days
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is partly crammed with letters from vets thanking us for getting
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this part right.
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I suppose I could mention this in passing in dialogue, but then it
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becomes a matter of sticking in dialogue not because it's
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important to an episode, but because some folks would like things
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explained to them. I don't think that's my responsibility.
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* I answered you elsewhere here on this topic earlier this evening.
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To just nit for a moment, to say that Sinclair picks up "every
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derelict ship" seems a little unfair...he's picked up *one*, and
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only one, and only picks up one this entire season. Why him? A)
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Because he's good at it, B) he could use the flight pay, C) it'll
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look good on his record, and D) because as he says as he leaves,
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it's a potential first-contact situation. (NOt to mention E, that
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he has a death-wish.)
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I would submit to you that this is NOT the same as having one
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character do a zillion different jobs on the station. I think that
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you're reacting to something you've seen on Trek, and are assuming
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based on an example of one that we're doing it in B5 as well.
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We're not. Also, in "Purple," Garibaldi sends a different team out
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to handle the gunfire, so there are others who do things. Question
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becomes, how many new and recurring characters do you want to
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introduce? There are currently *14* regular and recurring
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characters on B5, and there are many folks who are saying that's
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too many. As it is, we do introduce an aide to Garibaldi who takes
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care of some stuff for him. Just as Sinclair delegates to Ivanova,
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and Ivanova delegates to the observation dome techs.
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I just feel that you're leaping to a conclusion based on a paucity
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of evidence, built upon your experiences with another show. We're
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simply not doing this.
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* Normally, I don't tend to respond to negatives, because I don't
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generally want to get in the way or be perceived to be getting in
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the way of criticism. I don't. But I feel I have to respond to
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some of this. If the show is open to criticism, then it seems to
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me that some of the critiques should be open as well. And some of
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these I think are quite unfair.
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1) When did they move the jump gate (re: the time required to get
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from the gate by Kosh's ship, as opposed to the Hunter ship).
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They/we didn't. Once again, and I wish people could remember this,
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Kosh's ship BEGAN TO DECELERATE the instant it emerged from the
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gate, in order to dock with B5 without smashing into it. The Soul
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Hunter ship was out of control, careening in at full speed. (This
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was a widely discussed reason why the Vorlon fleet got to B5 so
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quickly as vs. Kosh's ship. They were moving fast to get into
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striking position.)
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2) The Hunter's ship was on autopilot, set to come out of the
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first gate it came to.
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3) There was still time for the station's defense grid to blow the
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ship. Yes, pieces would have continued onward, but a hell of a lot
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of its inertia would've been taken out by the incoming fire, and
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any remaining pieces would've either been taken out as well, or
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would have been so small as to not damage the hull (which is
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*very* thick at that point) given its blast-enforced deceleration.
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4) Yes, Sinclair would've gone up with it. You pays your money,
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you takes your chances.
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5) There was no "the Earth is going to explode" story here; you
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have a ship colliding with the station, that has to be stopped. It
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has to be stopped within the period between when it emerges from
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the gate, and the time it would collide. You want to know how much
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time you have to work in. Maybe it's a dramatic device, but it's
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also exactly what you would do. What would you prefer? "Lieutenant
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Commander, how much longer until impact?" "Uh...I dunno...can you
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hang on a second?"
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6) Re: the "funny forehead" comment...it was not what I've
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understood the FF syndrome to mean...a regular head with a little
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treatment on the front. This was a whole-head prosthetic, covering
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the entire back of the head. So wrong on that one. And re: n'grath
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having 6 legs rather than 4...who're you to say that? Ever seen a
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praying mantis? Do all insects all over the galaxy have to have
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six legs to qualify? You don't like minimal makeup, you don't like
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full-body prosthetics ...you understand that this comes out as
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"nothing will please me except a real alien." You tell me where to
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find one in Central Casting, and I'll hire him.
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7) Okay, here's my biggest gripe: the note that the soul aspect
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was Trek and "katra." Let me be clear on this: I don't give a damn
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what Trek has or has not done now, long ago, or will do in the
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future. We can't be constantly looking over our shoulder, limiting
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our universe because of another show. If your only frame of
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reference when it comes to discussing the soul is Star Trek, then
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that's profoundly disappointing, but it's got nothing to do with
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me. The basic concept goes back to the beginnings of civilization
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(that your soul can be captured somehow). Further, there were no
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soul hunters in ST, it was placement of one's spirit in another
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body. I'm getting real tired of the notion that if Trek did
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something, nobody else ever can do it. Like the person who said
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that Trek invented nanotechnology, and thus when we used it in the
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pilot episode in the nanotech machine G'Kar swallows, we were just
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copying Trek's nanites.
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I refuse to surrender creative control of this series to the ghost
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of Star Trek's used notions. From time to time, we'll cross into
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areas they have also touched. We'll touch it differently. Deal
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with it. But please don't put a Star Trek (tm) tag on the soul,
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and the history of the soul.
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8) You say a guard's gun was taken *twice* in this episode. Where
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is #2 (if #1 is the medlab guard)? I see a guard being attacked
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from behind, but not his gun being taken.
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9) Re: the second soul hunter's makeup being "inferior" to the
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first: they were essentially exactly the same...same material,
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same design, minus the stone, which varied...I'm sorry, but they
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were made, applied and used in exactly the same way.
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10) Why drain her of blood? Why the hell not? In some countries,
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that was used as a means of execution. Bleeding was also used (in
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theory) to heal. Okay, let's say he used poison. "Why use poison?"
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you probably would've asked. "Oh, it was the old poison gag, and
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they find a convenient antidote." There's no difference.
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11) How did the hunter relate his sense of death to a wall map? I
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ask again...why not? If you can buy it happens at all, why not?
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How is that any different than walking through a hall, or being
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drawn to a planet? This is strictly a straw-man example, as is
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much of what you cite.
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This, frankly, is what I find so offensive in your note. You take
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things that as a matter of opinion you might have done
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differently, and then try to hold it up as a fault. You set up
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straw man arguments that could be just as easily turned around on
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anything, mischaracterizing something in order to take a cheap
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shot.
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12) Why didn't Sinclair link in when he found the hunter? Because
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he only "found" the hunter when he was being SHOT AT. And at that
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point you don't want to raise your voice because you'll be shot at
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again.
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13) You complain that the soul globes seemed to wait until the
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moment Sinclair freed them to act (as though it were the bag that
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had been holding them in). Sure, they could've emerged...and
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floated. A lot of good that would've done them. What they needed
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was someone who could stop him, and that was Sinclair's task. They
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were able to distract the hunter long enough for that to happen.
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Minus Sinclair, what were they supposed to do, bedazzle him to
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death?
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14) Re: shining things into the camera = NBC Mystery Movie. See
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point 11a above. I'm not responsible for your cultural reference
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points.
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I don't mean to yell, but thing is, I don't mind genuine
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criticism, if we specifically do something that is objectively
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*wrong*. If you don't like something, that's also fine. But I'm
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tired of people who confuse opinion with fact, and that if it
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isn't done their way, then it isn't somehow *right*...and the
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notion that Star Trek has invented, patented and qualified for
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sole claim on whole aspects of our history, literature, culture,
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theology and language, and that anybody who touches on these areas
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is just doing Trek stuff.
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As far as I'm concerned, the Trek-soul-katra thing treated the
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soul as little more than a misplaced pair of sunglasses. Here we
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tried to get into the issues *behind* the soul...where does it
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come from, where does it go, does it survive the death of the
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body, or does it go on ...to give some mystery and beauty to the
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notion. To have it dismissed as just another riff on katra is
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offensive and insulting and narrow. And all of those issues just
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seemed to flit by without comment.
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I don't mean to get angry, but this is one I'm very proud of, and
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to see it sideswiped and mischaracterized and straw-man'd to death
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in this fashion is just something that I had to respond to.
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* Re: your statement that the headwear of the S.H. is "stolen" from
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the Ferengi...may I be so bold as to respond to your rather loud
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note with some volume of my own? To wit: watch something other
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than Star Trek, and maybe spend a little time learning stuff about
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your own world. The headware is based upon the kind used in
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various african and aboriginal tribes. Trek didn't invent it; we
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have photos of its use through history, as well as sketches going
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back further. As it happens, the costume designer has never seen
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"DS9," doesn't watch TNG, has no idea what a Ferengi is. Neither
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do I intend to not do something, based in real history, just
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because some other show has done drawn on that same background.
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You clearly think that if something appeared in ST, then ST must
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have invented it, and that if it appears anywhere else, it must've
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been influenced by ST. Wrong on both counts. I would suggest that
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you have been watching too much ST, and not nearly enough of the
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Discovery Channel.
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* Re: the medical tools...we brought in a medical science
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consultant, who helped us design our instruments. His sense was
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that we're moving more and more toward light as a system of
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treatment, non-invasive procedures, that sort of thing. No, there
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aren't anything like those devices in today's operating
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rooms...but this is 250 years from now. In any event, it *is*
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based on the latest info we're getting on new science from our
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medical advisor.
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* I would not describe n'grath as a "Mafia boss," since that's a
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very specific term. Nor is it really any kind of organization.
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He's a fixer, somebody you go to when you need something...a
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bodyguard, forged identicards, what-have-you.
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* Garibaldi is quite aware of n'grath...and knowing that if he just
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vanished, somebody'd take his place in five minutes, prefers the
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trouble he knows to the trouble he'd have to track down.
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Originally compiled by Matthew Ryan _matt@uhs.uchicago.edu_
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