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								<h2><a name="OV">Overview</a></h2>


								<blockquote><cite>

								As the Centauri war escalates, a Narn warcruiser seeks help from Babylon 5.

								Earth takes a position in the war.  Keffer makes a terrifying discovery.

								Kosh takes a drastic step to save a life.

								</cite>


								<a href="http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Dotrice,+Roy">Roy Dotrice</a> as Frederick Lantze.

								<a href="http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Vickery,+John">John Vickery</a> as Mr. Welles.

								<a href="http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Hamilton,+Rick">Rick Hamilton</a> as Mitch.

								<a href="http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Sachs,+Robin">Robin Sachs</a> as Na'Kal.

								</blockquote>


								<pre><a href="/lurk/p5/intro.html">P5 Rating</a>: <a href="/lurk/p5/044">9.40</a>


								Production number: 222

								Original air date: August 15, 1995 (UK)

								                   November 1, 1995 (US)

								<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000087EYB/thelurkersguidet">DVD release date</a>: April 29, 2003


								Written by J. Michael Straczynski

								Directed by Janet Greek

								</pre>


								<p>

								<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000636E/thelurkersguidet">An

								episodic soundtrack is available.</a>


								<p>

								<strong>Think twice before reading what's below if you haven't seen the

								episode -- major spoilers follow!</strong>


								<p>

								<hr size=3>


								<h2><a name="BP">Backplot</a></h2>

								<ul>


								<li>

								The Ministry of Peace has been recruiting other high-level B5 staff members

								for its Nightwatch program.


								<li>

								Vorlons appear as angelic, winged beings of light, whose appearance is

								different to each observer.  They can fly.  (But see

								<a href="#JS:vorlons">jms speaks</a>)


								</ul>


								<h2><a name="UQ">Unanswered Questions</a></h2>


								<ul>


								<li>

								Is Keffer mercifully dead, or might he reappear as "worse than dead" -- a

								tool of the Shadows a la Morden?


								<li>

								What will be the ramifications of Zack's turning the shopkeeper in to the

								Nightwatch?


								<li>

								How far will the Centauri expansion push?


								<li>

								Why did Londo see nothing when he looked at Kosh? (see

								<a href="#AN">Analysis</a>)


								<li>

								Who was behind the bombing of Sheridan's tram? Who were the young Centauri

								taking orders from, if anyone?


								<li>

								What ramifications will there be to Kosh's appearance, since it was such a

								closely kept secret before?


								<li>

								What will happen to the Narn cruiser?


								<li>

								What other forces do the Narn have that were not caught by the Centauri?


								<li>

								Where did the cruiser go?


								<li>

								Have the Centauri made any arrangements with the Minbari, or are they

								relying on their non-interference in the affairs of other races?


								<li>

								Will Sheridan's planned apology be enough to satisfy his superiors at

								Earthdome, or is he in danger of losing his position?


								<li>

								What effect will the open transmission by ISN of Keffer's recorder log have

								on the Shadows' plans?  Will it force them to show their hand?


								</ul>


								<h2><a name="AN">Analysis</a></h2>


								<ul>


								<li>

								Night has indeed fallen. As the Centauri government

								continues to expand by attacking other races like the Drazi and the

								Pak'ma'ra, the Earth government has entered into an appeasement pact with

								them. Meanwhile, the inward-turning Earth government is using their

								"Nightwatch" as a means to silence dissent. However, Keffer's last flight

								has made the presence of the Shadows in hyperspace known to all of Earth,

								relayed to them via ISN.


								<p>

								<li>It's interesting that Kosh risks revealing himself to save one life - the

								same criterion for saintliness/being the Chosen that the Inquisitor established

								(cf. <a href="043.html">"Comes the Inquisitor."</a>)


								<p>

								<li>

								Vir and Lennier are both feeling the pressures of knowing a great deal

								about what is going on but not being involved in the planning and

								decision making stages.  That they have found each other to talk to is

								somewhat ironic, since each is working for masters who have taken

								opposing sides - Light and Dark - in the coming battle.


								<p>

								<li>

								"We will, at last, know peace in our time."  This phrase, given by Lantze

								when he announces the Earth-Centauri non-aggression pact, is very similar

								to a phrase used by Neville Chamberlain after signing an appeasement

								agreement with Hitler in 1938 just prior to the invasion of Czechoslovakia, an

								agreement that failed to stop Hitler's expansionist policy.  The choice of

								words is probably intended to highlight the futility of such a pact with

								an aggressive party and a foreshadow of future events.  There are other

								parallels with Nazi actions (divided between the actions of <i>both</i>

								signatories,)  but the motivations of the Earth government are not race

								related nor moving towards the domination/submission of other groups.


								<p>

								<li>

								NightWatch openly tries to recruit highly placed individuals, not

								appearing too concerned if they refuse.  This suggests that they feel

								confident about circumnavigating these people with a strong sense of

								loyalty at a later date, replacing them with a more easily manipulated

								individual.


								<p>

								<li>

								Had Sheridan refused to apologize publicly and been replaced, it would

								have been with Ivanova had she accepted Welles offer to work with the

								NightWatch.  Otherwise they would have brought in an easily manipulated

								person to command Babylon 5, as Welles indicated.<p>


								<li>

								This episode shows the new defense grid (cf.

								<A HREF="032.html">"GROPOS"</A>)

								in action for the

								first time.  As promised it is an even match for a heavy battle

								cruiser.  The battle doctrine for the B5 universe is one of fighters

								engage fighters, heavy ships engage heavy ships.  During this combat

								sequence we see what happens when a heavy ship ignores the fighters and

								fails (for whatever reason) to deploy its own fighters.  While not capable

								of inducing complete destruction of a heavy vessel in the short term, the

								fighters can strip a heavy vessel of its offensive/defensive armament

								since such weaponry is small compared to the ship and necessarily exposed

								in order to be effective.


								<p>

								<li>

								Lantze is a dreamer and idealist, taking any steps to ensure peace for

								Earth.  He is someone who feels that the ends justify the means so long as

								it does not involve Earth.  This is a direct expression of the anti-alien

								feelings present at the moment on Earth.  That Lantze is not directly

								involved in the NightWatch suggests that, while he understands the aims of

								the NightWatch, his concience is not capable of handling the individual

								betrayals involved.  Perhaps the ideal politician.


								<p>

								Welles, on the other hand, is very much caught up in the management of the

								NightWatch.  He has no conscience pangs about the betrayal of individals.

								While he is a co-director of The Ministry of Peace, he probably has more

								real power than Lantze because of what he is managing.  He is also gifted

								with the art of manipulating people as shown with both Zack and Sheridan

								(although the latter is more aware of the manipulation and capable of

								defending against it.)


								<p>

								<li>

								The Narn cruiser will probably use other races threatened by the Centauri

								for assistance, perhaps acting as a mercenary.  Or it may find

								somewhere quiet to lie low until it can be called into the service of

								homeworld.  The Minbari cruiser Trigati managed to avoid capture for over

								ten years (cf.

								<A HREF="023.html">"Points of Departure."</A>)


								<p>

								<li>

								The Shadows did not destroy the recorder marker dropped by Keffer.  Either

								they failed to detect it (they aren't omnipotent,) or they chose to ignore

								it (they are confident it would make no difference, or were unaware of the

								contents.)


								<p>

								<li>

								Keffer's recording log has been transmitted by ISN.  This is exactly what

								Delenn and Sheridan wanted to avoid.  Will it force the Shadows' hand now

								that they have been seen?  Or will it push the forces of Light into even

								greater efforts?


								<p>

								<li>

								The commentary by ISN at the end of the episode suggests that the events

								on Earth are not being manipulated by the Shadows.  Of course this could

								just be a politically expedient newscast.


								<p>

								<li>

								Kosh's rescue of Sheridan is like a blessing from the heavens.  This will

								no doubt be taken as a sign of Sheridan's worthiness to lead the forces of

								Light, as it has already been taken to indicate that Babylon 5 is blessed.


								<p>

								<li>

								When Kosh left his encounter suit only Delenn was present.  She has

								already seen Kosh.  The other ambassadors only saw a being of light

								rise up and rescue

								Sheridan.  Kosh also landed in an empty part of the Zen garden before

								returning to his encounter suit.  The conversation in the Zocalo between

								the Narn and the Drazi suggests they are not aware it is Kosh.  What would

								the reaction be if these races were to find out that the Vorlons had been

								interfering (apparently benevolently) in the development of their race?

								Would religions collapse under the revelation that their supernatural

								beings were simply ancient aliens?


								<p>

								<li>

								Does each Vorlon appear as a particular entity to each type of observer,

								an entity that remains the same over time?  If so, could Kosh be the original

								G'Lan, and thus be at least a thousand years old?


								<p>

								<li>

								Londo failed to see Kosh when he revealed himself.  Does this extend to

								all Centauri, or is it peculiar to Londo?  If it is the former then it

								suggests that either the Vorlons have not openly visited the Centauri

								(why?) or that their worship of their deceased Emperors as gods has

								diminished the effect of exposure to Vorlons.  If it is the latter then it

								must be because of Londo's association with the Shadows.  If this is the

								case then what would be the response of other Centauri on seeing a Vorlon? (see

								<a href="#JS:centauri">jms speaks</a>)


								<p>

								<li>

								Carrying the above a step further, are Vorlons invisible to Centauri and/or

								to anyone of a race they haven't dealt with before?  That suggests the

								possibility that the Shadows might be the same way, visible to some people

								and not to others.


								<p>

								<li>@@@884249864

								Perhaps the Vorlons did visit the Centauri homeworld in the past, but

								manipulated the Xon

								(<a href="005.html">"The Parliament of Dreams"</a>)

								instead of the Centauri.


								<p>

								<li>

								Delenn seemed somewhat taken aback by Sheridan's unflattering appraisal of

								the Vorlons' motives; she seems willing to regard them as, if not completely

								good, at least altruistic, and is clearly awed by them.  It's plausible she

								has perceived Kosh as a Minbari religious figure from the start, which has

								colored her perceptions of him in exactly the way Sheridan describes.


								<p>

								Might Sheridan's less starry-eyed view of the Vorlons be due in part to the

								training he's been getting from Kosh, the point of which (for a while,

								anyway) was to help Sheridan and Kosh understand each other?  Put another

								way, has Sheridan learned to fight the legends he believes Kosh's appearance

								is intended to evoke?


								<p>

								<li>

								Why do the Vorlons appear as the particular religious figures they do?  Each

								of the figures we saw was an idealized version of the race in question.

								Perhaps this is to make themselves seem less alien, more familiar and therefore

								less threatening.  The fact that they feel the need to do this suggests that

								their true appearance may be very alien indeed.


								<p>

								<li>

								When Sheridan mentioned to Delenn that everyone saw something different in

								Kosh, Delenn replied that each person saw something "according to his or

								her type."  That choice of words can be interpreted in a disturbing way, to

								suggest that the Vorlons have organized other sentients into categories.


								<p>

								<li>

								Might the Shadows' appearance also be subjective?  What do they look like

								to Morden, for instance?  It may be that the Shadows feel no need to deceive

								others about their appearance, as it might not advance their goals (whatever

								those goals might be.)  Clearly the Shadows prefer not to be seen, to work

								through others, but that might be the result of small numbers or caution as

								much as anything else.


								<p>

								<li>

								Kosh's true form is probably smaller than what everyone saw; for one thing,

								his encounter suit is shorter than he appeared to be.  When he was behind

								the screen in

								<a href="001.html">"Midnight on the Firing Line"</a>

								he appeared to be much smaller as well.  But he probably does have a physical

								form of some kind, since he was able to touch Sheridan (if it were just

								telekinesis, presumably he wouldn't have needed to leave his suit.)


								<p>

								<li>

								Zack is having second thoughts about the NightWatch.  Up until now he has

								been happily accepting their money in return for just wearing the armband

								and giving in few reports.  He misunderstood their intentions and now

								realizes that should he try to leave he will be branded in the same way as

								the shopkeeper in the Zocalo.  The fear of being taken out of society

								and branded as a traitor is greater than the urge to stand up for what he

								believes to be right.  Zack's dissatisfaction with the

								NightWatch might be useful at a later date.


								<p>

								<li>

								The signal for the Centauri weapons lock on to Babylon 5 sounded like that

								of a submarine sonar.  It represents an active weapons lock (ship sending

								out signals to locate its target) rather than a passive lock (ship

								detecting emmissions from its target.)  It brings a tension to the

								situation inherited from the submarine warfare genre of films.


								<p>

								<li>

								How compatible is an Earth Alliance career and raising children?

								Ivanova's conversation with Lantze suggests that women do bear children

								while actively continuing with their careers.  Another hint from JMS that

								the military at least are an equal oppourtunities employer.


								<p>

								<li>

								The celebration of Winter Solstice described by Lantze is a pagan

								festival.  The celebration of Christ's birth, though important in

								Christian teaching, was not begun until the 4th century.  The time of year

								was chosen to counter the celebration of the Winter Solstice.  Presumably

								the reference to the public celebration of the solstice indicate a more

								open tolerance of religion on Earth in the 22nd century, and that there

								are other religious groups that celebrate the same period for different

								reasons.


								<p>

								<li>

								It's Keffer's obsession with the shadow ship he saw in hyperspace in

								<A HREF="026.html">"A Distant Star"</A>

								that leads to his demise.


								<p>

								<li>

								Kosh has now offered his hand to Babylon 5's commander twice, both times

								with potentially disastrous results.


								<p>

								<li>

								The exchange between Lennier and Vir might have been more than mere comic

								relief.  Perhaps they were actually passing information back and forth

								using a code of some kind -- Vir now appears strongly motivated to do

								something like that.


								<p>

								<li>

								<a name="AN:candles">

								Ivanova's lighting of candles at the end of the episode had a deeper meaning

								</a>

								than may initially be obvious.  In Orthodox Jewish tradition, Chanukah

								(the Festival of Lights)

								celebrates both the victory over the conquerors of Jerusalem and the victory

								of those who wanted to uphold traditional values over those who wanted to

								assimilate with the enemy, an internal struggle which is also arguably the

								main theme of the episode.  (See <a href="#JS:candles">jms speaks</a>,

								here and in <a href="042.html#JS:candles">"The Long, Twilight Struggle"</a>)


								</ul>


								<h2><a name="NO">Notes</a></h2>


								<ul>


								<li>

								The character "Corwin" is no doubt named after Norman Corwin,

								JMS' friend and mentor.


								<p>

								<li>

								Ivanova's comment about Sheridan being weightless depends on one's point

								of view.  In a strict, pedantic sense, everyone on Babylon 5 is close to

								weightless, since weight is defined as the force with which a mass is

								gravitationally attracted to another mass, and B5 achieves the illusion

								of weight by rotation, not by gravity.  (Leaving aside, of course, the

								gravity of the planet below the station.)


								<p>

								Sheridan's movement away from the station's axis is due to three factors.

								First, the tram wasn't exactly at the axis, so it was revolving

								at some speed.  Just as a rock flies in a straight line if you swing it

								on a piece of string then let go, Sheridan would have moved toward the ground

								even if he'd just stepped gingerly out the door.


								<p>

								Of course, he didn't; he leapt.  Depending on whether the door was facing

								into or against the station's spin, this might have either

								accelerated his descent or slowed it.  The fact that he appeared to not

								leap very hard suggests that the door was facing spinward and he wanted to

								stay in the air as long as possible.


								<p>

								The final factor is the atmosphere, which rotates in the Garden along with

								the ground and everything else.  As Sheridan fell, he would be pushed along

								by air revolving at speeds closer and closer to the speed of the ground; this

								would tend to accelerate his fall, since it would cause him to revolve more

								quickly.  So the longer he fell, the faster he would be going.  That effect

								would probably be fairly weak for most of the fall, so it might

								not have accelerated him to high enough speed to cause serious harm when he

								hit the ground.


								<p>

								Unfortunately, his inertia would keep him from achieving ground speed even

								with the push of the wind, so as Ivanova said, he would have hit the ground

								as if he'd fallen out of a car on the freeway, even if his rate of descent

								alone wouldn't have been enough to hurt him seriously.


								<p>

								In any case, Sheridan is probably quite glad Kosh chose that moment to make an

								appearance.


								</ul>


								<h2><a name="JS">jms speaks</a></h2>

								<ul>


								   <li> Janet [Greek] was not available to us for most of this season due to

									illness (flu turning into pneumonia), but she's better now, and will be

									directing our season-ender, "[The Fall of Night]."  We hope to have her

									do five or six next year, and will of course try to get her for our

									first and last as with this year and the last of year one; she's kind

									of our good luck charm.


								<p>

								   <li> On Monday we begin our last week of filming.  We're going for an

									eight-day shoot this one time, rather than our usual seven-day shoot,

									because of the extraordinary EFX requirements to pull off the finale.

									It should be a doozy.


								<p>

								   <li> How does the finale compare?  Hmmm...depends on what you're looking

									for.  "Inquisitor" is primarily a character piece, virtually no EFX,

									but very intense.  The story is kind of straightforward, with a few

									kickers along the way.  "Twilight" is a heavy story episode, that

									zips all over the B5 landscape, between the Narns, the Centauri, and

									elsewhere (he said vaguely).  The finale, "The Fall of Night," is

									actually kind of deceptive; it starts out fairly calmly and tightens

									fairly fast.  The story is not as back-and-forth or layered as Twilight

									or Coming, it's really about one thing.  Visually, it's the most

									ambitious thing we've done to date, and probably the most ambitious

									EFX stuff done for a TV series *ever*.  I don't think you'll feel left

									wanting after the episode is done.


								<p>

								   <li> No, the last ep of this season wasn't per se a cliffhanger, though it

									does tip over a few things, so it flows from 222 to 301 fairly smoothly.


								<p>

								   <li> Yeah, this is the other structure that's kind of a favorite of mine.

									I used it also in "Coming of Shadows."  It starts out kind of slow, it

									lulls you into a sense that this is going to be a fairly ordinary story,

									nothing major...allowing me to sneak up behind you in the story and just

									*whack* you real hard when you're not expecting it.


								<p>

								   <li>@@@846713900 We've been consistently giving Jeff Conaway more and more

									to do in the show because he's a very gifted actor; there are some

									moments in the coming month's episodes, particularly "The Fall of

									Night," that should knock the word "mediocre" out of anyone's mouth.


								<p>

								   <li>@@@840399188 <em>This episode had enough votes for a Hugo nomination,

									but JMS didn't accept the nomination.</em><br>

									Yes, since the last time we were in Hugo contention,

									the splitting of votes cost us the award (combined votes would've been

									enough going in to win), the folks gave us the option of withdrawing

									one of the two, and since "The Coming of Shadows" seems the overall

									favorite, that one was the one kept.


									<p>

									One other good thing about the withdrawl of one episode was that

									it allowed Terry Gilliam's "12 Monkeys" onto the ballot, which

									otherwise would've been frozen out, and it deserves the recognition of

									the nomination.


									<p>

									We're all *very* pleased and excited by the nomination.


								<p>

								   <li>@@@840399188 They gave me the option of

									having the two nominations or withdrawing one of the two, and we

									decided to go ahead and withdraw "Fall," to avoid splitting the vote,

									and to allow another entry into the field, which was apparently "12

									Monkeys," which definitely deserves the recognition of the nomination.


								<p>

								   <li>@@@840399188 Apparently this option is often given.


								<p>

								   <li> In a few days we will begin shooting the final episode of

									season two: "The Fall of Night."  In terms of action, this is the

									biggest thing we've ever attempted.  Where normally our scripts have

									50-80 scenes/shots (as noted in numerical sluglines), this one has 134;

									of which 64 are EFX shots, some in combinations.  To understand the

									weight of that, there were 60 EFX shots in the entire two-hour pilot.

									In addition, this has more and more *complex* CGI than the first 13

									episodes of our first season put TOGETHER.  Nothing on quite this scale

									has ever been attempted in series TV before, and the irony is that the

									major part of this covers only a few minutes in the fourth act.


									<p>

									This stuff is going to involve every one of our EFX divisions,

									compositing, makeup, prosthetics, costuming, practical effects, mattes,

									CGI; the visual EFX meeting was the biggest we've ever had, and

									everyone's both sober and excited.  Because there are only two options

									when you go for something this substantial: either you're going to do

									something truly amazing, or you're going to massively fall on your

									face.  For our EFX people, this is kinda like boarding the wildest ride

									at Magic Mountain and leaving off your seatbelt on a dare...it's one

									hell of a ride, but boy is it dangerous.


									<p>

									But as Ron Thornton pointed out: no guts, no glory.


									<p>

									This is also going to be a Janet Greek-directed episode, who for

									various reasons was only available to do our first episode prior to

									this, but she's kind of our good luck charm, and we wanted someone

									who's  done as much for us as she has to come in here and helm

									this...because it could probably break a less experienced (on B5)

									director.


								<p>

								   <li> Thanks.  That last sequence is the single biggest effects sequence

									done for TV, insofar as I know.  There are 34 composite shots in a

									matter of just a few minutes.  Our guys nearly went blind doing it,

									but it's cool.  The whole feel, I think, is quite nice.


								<p>

								   <li> Definite agreement on the shuttle sequence, works nicely.


								<p>

								   <li> A wire harness was used; and the effect you ask about

									<em>[Kosh]</em> was a mix of CGI, live action, and rotoscope.


								<p>

								   <li> I think the Kosh stuff is *very* cool...but I don't want to over-sell

									it; best to see it cold.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>Kosh's wings looked like those of the aliens in "The Abyss."</em>

									<br>

									There was no deliberate homage, but the individual who helped design

									that, working with me, was Steve Burg, who has worked on Abyss and T2.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>How long did the Kosh scene take to get right?</em><br>

									It took, literally, months of trial and error, design and

									redesign, which is why  we did it as the last episode of that

									season.


								<p>

								   <li> <a name="JS:vorlons">Since "The Fall of Night"</a>

									has now aired in the UK, and word is getting

									out, herewith a post I left on GEnie about Kosh's now-revealed

									identity.  I thought it came out fairly well, so I'm repeating it here.


									<p>

									*****


									<p>

									Okay.  Here it is.  I'm gonna do it.  I'm gonna reveal Kosh.


									<p>

									I'm not kidding.  Bail now if you're looking in and don't want to know.


									<p>

									No backsies.


									<p>

									I mean it.


									<p>

									Last chance.


									<p>

									Okay, this is it.


									<p>

									"If he leaves his encounter suit, he will be recognized."<br>

									"By who?"<br>

									"Everyone."


									<p>

									"The First Ones taught the younger races, explored beyond the rim,

									built civilizations...."


									<p>

									Kosh is what you're pointing at when you say "That's Kosh."


									<p>

									"Yes, the Vorlons have been to Earth, the Vorlons have been everywhere.

									The Vorlons *are*."


									<p>

									They *are*.


									<p>

									"For centuries, the Vorlons have helped the younger races, guiding us,

									and --"   "And manipulating us?"  "It is, as you say, a matter...

									of perspective."


									<p>

									They *are*...a matter of perspective.


									<p>

									Each race who sees them, sees something out of their own past, their

									own legends, religions, faiths.  A being of light, if you will, but a

									Drazi sees the Drazi version of that, Droshalla; the Minbari see the

									Minbari version of that, Valeria; humans see a human version of that.


									<p>

									It is the mirror in which we see our beliefs reflected, but is it the

									progenitor of those beliefs...or an implanted image that overlays that

									vision on top of the true form of the Vorlon?  Is it revelation, or is

									it manipulation?


									<p>

									The Vorlons are a cypher.  The Vorlons are a matter of perspective.

									The Vorlons are guides...or users, emissaries or puppeteers, who wish

									to be seen a certain way, so that we will react properly.


									<p>

									Is this good, or is this bad?


									<p>

									And the truth is, even though you have seen a Vorlon, have you seen

									THE Vorlon, the one behind the image that dances somewhere between your

									optic nerve and your brain?


									<p>

									Or to quote a message I left long ago, paraphrased from memory, "The

									hand Sinclair sees is not the hand Sinclair sees, and the hand Sinclair

									sees is not the same hand someone else in the room sees, and is not

									even the hand that that person sees."


									<p>

									The Vorlons Are.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>Kosh is weak. He allowed himself to be poisoned by a Minbari and

									attacked by Morden.  He needed a Vicar to probe Talia and needed

									Sebastian to test Delenn.  He rarely does anything directly, preferring

									to use others.  I find Kosh slightly righteous.</em><br>


									Thanks.  And finding Kosh slightly righteous is pretty much the desired

									intent.  So you're clicking on all the right cylinders.


								<p>

								   <li>@@@894388635 <em>Was he really poisoned, or just pretending?

									(<a href="000.html">"The Gathering"</a>)</em><br>

									No, he wasn't faking it.  Understand that their appearance as a

									being of light is only how they want to appear; they are life forms

									much the same as many others, and can be poisoned if one knows the

									right combination of substances.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>Kosh is an angel!  But which one?</em><br>


									<p>

									Actually, no, not really; Kosh is what you see when you look at him.

									And if a Drazi looks at him, the Drazi sees something different

									than a Minbari; yes, a being of light, BUT....


									<p>

									Is that what they actually ARE, or how they have programmed us to

									react when we see them?  As Sheridan said, have we been *manipulated*

									to seeing them a certain way, seeing a certain image?  We may not be

									seeing what they ARE, but what they WANT us to see.


									<p>

									It goes a heck of a lot deeper than what it seems.


								<p>

								   <li>@@@846713900 "Joe identified the figure Sheridan saw as the angel

									Gabriel."


									<p>

									No I didn't.


								<p>

								   <li>@@@846713901 Kosh *appears* to us

									as a being of light...doesn't mean that's entirely what he is, that's

									how we've been programmed to see him.


								<p>

								   <li> That's the irony, in a sense...what's inside Kosh's biomechanical

									encounter suit...is a *perceptual* encounter suit....


								<p>

								   <li> <em>Would a Hindu, or a Buddhist, see Kosh differently?</em><br>

									Yes, there would be some amount of variation among humans, though not

									in terms of beliefs that may have come along post-Vorlon influence.

									This sort of thing has been implanted almost at a genetic level, and

									they do have a hand, or a mind, in activating it when seen.  The more

									people who see them in different ways, the longer they must maintain

									that, the greater the strain on them.


								<p>

								   <li> The more people who have to *see* Kosh as one of their own, the

									greater the strain on Kosh, as you'll note in the first ep of year

									three.


								<P>

								   <li>@@@839744359 Being seen by one person is automatic, no strain

									involved, it's almost an autonomic reflex...it's extending the

									influence to more than one person that's difficult.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>The Vorlons aren't prepared to fight?  They'll refuse?</em><br>

									As for the Vorlons line..."prepared"

									should be taken in the same sense as "ready"...so they may not yet be

									ready.


								<p>

								   <li> Yes, the Shadows know that the Vorlons are still around, and that Kosh

									is there.  That's never been any kind of secret.  They're just hoping

									that the Vorlons and anyone who might believe them won't find out that

									they're out and about again until too [late.]


								<p>

								   <li>@@@846713901 The vorlons were never intending to hide themselves

									from the shadows; they both know where the other can be found.  The

									concern was in the vorlons potentially revealing themselves to others,

									and standing openly as what they were.


								<p>

								   <li> The Vorlons aren't yet ready; they can't take on the shadows by

									themselves, and must bring together other forces.


									<p>

									And in each case, re: Kosh, what they saw was not the *head* of

									their belief, but in essence a supporting being of light; it wasn't

									G'Quon, but G'Lan that G'Kar saw, which was a being that story tells us

									served G'Quon. So you wouldn't see the head of the religion,

									since there can only be one of those, and lots of Vorlons, but each

									tends to have a supporting cast, for lack of a better term.  Those are

									what we perceive the vorlons to be.


									<p>

									And remember, we didn't see any other human's POV of Kosh but

									Sheridan's.


								<p>

								   <li> No, she wouldn't.  Again, you don't see the *top* of the echelon of any

									belief, because there can be only one of those; it's the servants of

									light you see (and even the Old Testament makes reference to such

									things).


								<p>

								   <li> Yes, those are pretty much the two interpretations...

									that the Vorlons *created*  the myth of angels, or that they

									came in and *exploited* it for their own purposes.  In my

									view, the latter seems more logical in some ways.


								<p>

								   <li>@@@846713901 It has not been stated anywhere that the Vorlons created

									the angel element; they could easily just have come in and tried to

									exploit it....


								<p>

								   <li>@@@846713901 I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks the use of an angelic (or

									seemingly angelic character), whose likes have been written about for,

									oh, about 4,000 years, is ripping off Star Trek, has his head so

									thoroughly up his ass as to have blipped into an entirely new

									intestinally-based reality and desperately needs to get a wider frame

									of reference.


								<p>

								   <li> When one Vorlon looks at another, he sees a proper Vorlon.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>Will WE see a proper Vorlon?</em><br>

									We will see them.  Eventually.


								<p>

								   <li> What, I should begin catering to prurient interests?

									Broadcasting picture postcards (likely French) of Vorlons

									in provocative poses, in lingerie?  A terrible thing, that

									a nice young man such as yourself should be asking about.

									Does your mother know you're out here doing this?  Good heavens.


									<p>

									And who said they reproduce anymore?


								<p>

								   <li> <em>Where did Kosh go afterwards?</em><br>

									First he returned to his encounter suit, then he went to his ship,

									and stayed there for quite a while.


								<p>

								   <li> Yes, he had the momentum from his jump, plus that of the

									core shuttle itself  (which is considerable), plus the wind

									currents toward the center of the station  area/garden, which

									area also considerable.  Together that would be enough to

									keep him moving toward the outer edge of the garden area.


								<p>

								   <li>@@@840399188 <em>What keeps people on their seats in the core

									shuttle?</em><br>

									There are mag-strips, also hand-holds, seat belts and

									foot-straps.  As you enter you hear the voice warning that this is a

									reduced gravity area, and to exercise proper precautions.


								<p>

								   <li> <a name="JS:centauri">Nnnnnnoo, not really;</a>

									the Centauri don't actually have an equivalent to G'Quan or Valen.


									<p>

									Believe it or not, this one answer may add another layer to a scene

									in one of the last episodes of this season.  You can infer it backwards

									once you see it, but now you'll have it going in.


								<p>

								   <li> They [Centauri]

									believe in a variety of afterlives; the god you worship, of the

									centauri pantheon, holds dominion over a given "heaven" or afterworld.

									If you appease the god sufficiently during life, it will accept you

									into that afterworld, in preparation for the day when all heavens are

									united; if not, you will have to be reborn and choose another until

									one accepts you.


								<p>

								   <li> Londo saw what he said he saw.


								<p>

								   <li> Basically, all that was indicated in the script was that he for a beat

									isn't sure what's up...then lets it go.  I generally don't drop specific

									points explaining foreshadowing in the scripts, in case they leak out.

									If a line like that isn't sufficiently clear for the actor's intent,

									they then come to me and I explain it verbally.  This was done in

									particular when we had to shoot "Chrysalis" before "Signs and Portents,"

									even though the latter aired before the former.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>"It doesn't matter.  This place has been blessed."  Nobody was

									trying to claim it was only THEIR deity.</em><br>

									Thanks.  I think that, with so many races around, you couldn't go into

									holy wars or jihads at every occasion.  In a

									way, what was seen was a validation for many...a moment they all came

									together, instead of coming apart.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>Why didn't Clark reprimand Sheridan personally?</em><br>

									From a strictly logical standpoint, a president would not lower

									himself to deal with this personally.  When MacArthur and Patton earned

									the disfavor of the president, it was intermediaries who pulled them

									aside and registered this.  Also, gradually more authority is being

									vested in Nightwatch and the Ministry of Peace, as that's his arm, and

									so he'd be inclined to use that since he's in most direct control.

									(Just to explain why what was done was done.)


								<p>

								   <li> <em>About Zack trusting the Nightwatch</em><br>

									And bear in mind that it's never just a common sense "oh, these guys

									are  lying to me from Nightwatch, they're the bad guys."  It's always

									couched in such a  way that it sounds like it *might* be a real concern.

									That was how McCarthy and  others terrorized this country during the

									1950s.  There were plenty of people who  really *believed* that the Reds

									had infiltrated every aspect of society, as well as  those who might've

									had doubts, but figured that maybe where there's smoke  there IS fire.


								<p>

								   <li> There's also a certain amount of McCarthyism inherent in the

									Nightwatch, the emphasis on revealing spies in our midst, enemies of the

									people.


									<p>

									The problem with pointing to the Nazis or the Gestapo exclusively is

									that it allows us the safety of saying, "Well, it happened just there,

									and only once, *we* could never fall for that."


									<p>

									Wrong.


								<p>

								   <li> Bear in mind that Sheridan specifically states that the treaty had

									*not* been finalized yet between Earth and the Centauri, so the attack

									was not a violation of a treaty that hadn't been signed yet.  (And very

									likely the Centauri captain was unaware of it *anyway*, just as Sheridan

									was taken by surprise by it all.)


								<p>

								   <li> <em>I hope Sheridan verified those orders.</em><br>

									And the really great thing is...you're quite right about verifying

									orders from one arm of the government with another...as we'll see in the

									first third of the coming season.  Good call.


								<p>

								   <li> After the Centauri tried to kill him, the need for an apology was

									somewhat obviated.  Had he still been forced to do so, the one he

									rehearsed was the one he intended to give.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>The "peace in our time" reference</em><br>

									Yes, it was a definite nod to Chamberlain, and a bit of foreshadowing

									for ominous things to come.


								<p>

								   <li> There are a number of metaphors in the show that operate on many

									different levels; it can't be a one-to-one corrolary to WW II,

									because that limits and makes predictable your story.


									<p>

									In musical terms, it's almost a tonal piece, taking elements to

									which we respond, almost subconsciously, and then rearranging them

									into something that is, one hopes, a new construct.  You can find

									here echoes of Vietnam, of Kennedy, of Chamberlain, of WW II, of

									Korea, of the Mideast; in a way, it's a thematic piece that touches

									how we have come to think of war, and conflict, across the

									development of the 20th century, and the role of the individual in

									that regard.


									<p>

									We have learned to think of war as something now on a huge scale,

									an entity in itself.  Once upon a time, before the gatling gun and

									the automatic rifle, combat was something individual, even in larger

									wars, one person against the enemy...and that person was honored, one

									person could turn the tide against the enemy.  In a world in which

									weapons of mass destruction exist, where then is the individual?

									Where then the bravery, the struggle, the triumph...and the failure?

									Where, fundamentally, is the responsibility?


									<p>

									All of that is intertwined with the storyline, and to communicate that

									I'm not averse to taking elements of history that resonate with that

									theme and reworking them, knowing that on a cellular level, we

									*recognize* that aspect, we've seen it...but now in a new context, we

									can see it differently, discuss its implications, *learn* from it.


									<p>

									This is one of the things I rarely talk about, because it's the kind

									of thing that is best left simply implied, or implicit, in the work,

									and because if you have to draw attention to something in the work,

									somehow I think it lessens it, because it works best unspoken.  And

									because I guess it sounds kinda presumptuous, and high-falutin' and

									self-indulgent.  But it's one the things that matters to me in the

									context of the story.


								<p>

								   <li> <a href="#AN:candles" name="JS:candles"><em>Symbolism in Ivanova's

									candle-lighting</em></a><br>

									Moshe: an excellent analysis of the theme behind that scene, which

									as you state ties directly into the theme of the whole episode, and

									moreover, somewhat sets up the theme for the coming season...who will

									determine your identity, the rules you follow, who will lead you, and

									who you are...the question of, as you say, those who wish to accommodate

									and give in to pressures from within and from without.


									<p>

									Didn't want to be heavy-handed about it, so I figured those who got

									it, got it; those who didn't, would see a nice candle scene which sets

									the mood, even if they don't get the full thematic/symbolic aspects that

									others would get.


									<p>

									(not a Talmudic scholar, but I play one on TeeVee....)


								<p>

								   <li> The narrative [at the end] was a tonal setup for next season.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>Imagery in Season Two episode titles?</em><br>

									Yes; work it out as you have, but take it further...we start with a

									point of departure...then after some revelations, examine the geometry

									of shadows, then begin to more forward, a race through dark places.  We

									come toward the long dark, our past a distant star.  We carry the motif

									of a world getting dark.  The coming of shadows that darkens into the

									long twilight struggle, the last period between day and night...and we

									end the season on...the fall of night.


								<p>

								   <li> Actually, the "snitch" was the C&C tech, NOT the pilot, they just

									have a somewhat similar appearance.


									<p>

									We've established that klaxons go off elsewhere in the station

									during an attack to warn civilians, but they aren't going off in C&C

									because they make it impossible to concentrate, as per military

									tradition (see

									<a href="037.html">"And Now For a Word"</a> to confirm this).


									<p>

									There wasn't time to call Draal, and they can't begin relying on him

									for every problem; they have to be able to hold their own.  You would

									only bring in Draal on something really major.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>Is Keffer dead?</em><br>

									He is an Ex-Keffer.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>Does that mean he's dead?</em><br>

									Dead as the proverbial doorknob.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>Keffer jettisoned his recording as soon as the Shadow ship started

									scanning him. But the ISN broadcast showed the Shadow ship turning and

									firing.</em><br>

									Yeah, I kinda figured that recorders like this would be outfitted with

									a receiver for the ship's gun camera.  This would be vital to locate

									ships that got lost, and track as long as possible what happened after

									the log was ejected, and before the recorder moved out of range.


								<p>

								   <li> Yes, the camera was still mounted on the Starfury, but cameras even

									today are constantly transmitting to other locations; TV cameras don't

									just transmit on a cable to the box they're attached to, they are

									uplinked to other places.  Similarly, the recording device continued

									to receive transmission from the Starfury until such time as it either

									went out of range or, in this case, the transmitter was destroyed.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>What was the part of the station that was shot off?</em><br>

									It's an area for helping secure ships while being offloaded

									into the zero-G cargo bay right behind it.


								<p>

								   <li>@@@846713901 We'll see both the tines being repaired, and the core

									shuttle being fixed, in ep 1 of year 3.  The tines are mainly to

									stabilize incoming cargo ships so they can be offloaded (something we've

									shown there from time to time) into the zero-g cargo bay.


								<p>

								   <li> <em>What does "time on target" mean?</em><br>

									It's an actual military term for launching a lot of stuff, so that

									even though it's launched at different times, it all arrives at once.


								<p>

								   <li> The interceptors line refers to the fact that there are so many

									incoming bursts that the interceptors are only knocking down 90% of them

									at this point, meaning that some of them (the incoming bursts) are

									getting through.


								<p>

								   <li> Visually, yeah, I'd have to say TFoN is one of our biggest from year

									two, and I'm quite fond of it; the only reason that it isn't in my

									top three is because while the last half is very intense, it takes a

									little bit to get there; I like 'em intense from the first frame on.


									<p>

									For the growing use of montage/intercutting...it's really just a

									process of continuing to learn my craft.  So I try out and experiment

									with different techniques.  While I love dialogue, and lots of it, I'm

									also coming more and more to appreciate moments where you *only* play

									the visuals, and the music, and get out of the way of the Moment.


								<p>

								   <li> It's fair to say that you will be seeing that Narn cruiser again; it's

									still out there.


								<p>

								   <li>@@@846713901 <em>Keffer wears a blue scarf with white stars; Mitch

									wears a white scarf with red stars.  Is scarf color indicative of

									squadron?</em><br>

									I do believe they relate to squadrons, yes.


								</ul>


								<p>

								Originally compiled by Jason Snell.