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### GUIDE ### [3][Background] [4][Synopsis] [5][Credits] [6][Episode
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_Contents:_ [9]Overview - [10]Backplot - [11]Questions - [12]Analysis
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- [13]Notes - [14]JMS
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Overview
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The Vorlons step up their battle against the Shadows. Londo
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uncovers a new wrinkle in his plan to unseat Emperor Cartagia.
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Sheridan asks Garibaldi to remove Kosh from the station. Delenn
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gets a surprise from Sheridan. [15]Ed Wasser as Morden. [16]Wortham
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Krimmer as Emperor Cartagia. [17]Wayne Alexander as Lorien.
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[18]P5 Rating: [19]8.78
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Production number: 404
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Original air week: November 25, 1996
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Written by J. Michael Straczynski
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Directed by David Eagle
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Plot Points
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* With the help of Lorien and the original Kosh, Sheridan has
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successfully removed the new Vorlon ambassador from the station,
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possibly killing it in the process.
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* Lorien healed Sheridan at Z'ha'dum by transferring some of his own
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life energy into Sheridan. Sheridan has at most 20 years left to
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live.
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* Londo owes Sheridan a favor.
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* Emperor Cartagia has plucked out G'Kar's eye, as Londo saw in his
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dream ([20]"The Coming of Shadows.")
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Unanswered Questions
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* Why is Lorien keeping such close watch on Sheridan?
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* How does Sheridan plan to stop the Vorlons?
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* Why did Kosh's ship go berserk during the battle? What was it
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trying to do? (See [21]jms speaks)
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* Now that the Vorlons have been seen without their illusions in
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place, will they still bother to maintain their angelic facades
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around the younger races?
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* What was the Vorlon "cause" that compelled Lyta to cooperate with
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them? Did they explain their true motives to her, or did they feed
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her a palatable lie?
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Analysis
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* Sheridan and Lorien appear to have gotten to know each other well.
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What has each of them been getting from the relationship? So far,
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Lorien doesn't appear to be feeding Sheridan specific information
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about the Vorlons or the Shadows (though that could be happening
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offscreen.) He seems to be providing moral and philosophical
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support more than anything else, aside from the occasional dose of
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life energy. What is Sheridan giving him in return? Presumably
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it's something worth leaving Z'ha'dum to get.
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* Sheridan authorized the transfer of refugees to Epsilon 3 without
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even consulting with Draal. How does he know Draal wouldn't
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object? If the planet is still available as a defense mechanism
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for the station, Draal would most likely need to tell the crew
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where to set up camp, lest they put refugees right on top of an
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underground weapon. It's also interesting that the surface of
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Epsilon 3 is apparently habitable, given that oxygen masks were
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required to breathe underground ([22]"A Voice in the Wilderness.")
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Perhaps the crew is assuming Draal will provide an appropriate
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atmosphere.
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* Kosh expressed outrage, not surprise, that a human could mentally
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imprison a Vorlon. Perhaps the Vorlons have a weakness like the
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Shadows', and can be contained by sufficiently powerful telepaths.
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* Is the difference in color between the two Vorlons significant? It
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may simply be due to the fact that what emerged from Sheridan
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wasn't just Kosh, but a combination of Kosh, Sheridan, and Lorien.
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* Delenn recognized Kosh immediately. Does that mean she had
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previously seen his true form? If so, it was most likely in
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[23]"Chrysalis," though why he would let her see through his mask
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then isn't clear, since he most likely projected an image to her
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in [24]"The Fall of Night."
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* Lorien's healing technique resembles that of the healing machine
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from [25]"The Quality of Mercy." Could that machine be used to
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further extend Sheridan's life, or Lorien's, for that matter? How
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much life does Lorien have left?
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* When he used it on Z'ha'dum, it obviously extended to the original
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Kosh as well, since Kosh was able to battle his successor.
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* Sheridan's shortened lifespan may be the terrible price Delenn
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mentioned in the flashforward in [26]"War Without End, Part Two."
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At that time, 17 years in the future, he would only have another
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two or three years left to live, barring other developments. (See
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[27]jms speaks)
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* Kosh gave his life willingly to stop the other Vorlon. Perhaps
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that goal was what he needed to live for, his version of
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Sheridan's devotion to Delenn. If he had to come to terms with his
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own death as Sheridan did, such self-sacrifice was presumably
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somewhat easier when the time came.
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* Is the original Kosh the only Vorlon to oppose what's going on
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now? Perhaps they're factionalized much like the Minbari, and the
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new Kosh represented the more belligerent faction, which has the
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upper hand at the moment. In any case, why did the original Kosh
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care about the younger races more than his replacement?
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* How much of Kosh is still left in Sheridan in the form of memories
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and knowledge? Was Kosh's presence instrumental in putting
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together whatever plan Sheridan has in mind?
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* Londo clearly plans to strike at Cartagia on Narn, where
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presumably he'll be an easier target than he is in the royal
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palace. But even if he succeeds, what then? The Shadows will still
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be on Centauri Prime, with only a few days left until the
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projected arrival of the Vorlon fleet. It's unlikely Morden and
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his associates would look favorably on a request to leave the
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planet, and even if they went away immediately, Centauri Prime
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would still have been touched by the Shadows and thus would still
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be a target.
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* By failing to suggest a punishment for G'Kar, Londo has likely
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just wasted his first chance for redemption: saving the eye that
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does not see ([28]"Point of No Return.")
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* Cartagia's vision of the end of Centauri Prime ("Let it all end in
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fire") may be related to Kosh's reply to Emperor Turhan in
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[29]"The Coming of Shadows," to whom he said that things would end
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"in fire."
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* In fact, Kosh may have been saying more than the Emperor knew;
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perhaps he foresaw the deployment of the Vorlon planet-killer, or
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believed it likely, and figured it'd be used against Centauri
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Prime. If so, how long have the Vorlons been planning their
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current course of action?
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* Garibaldi theorized to Franklin that he might have been caught in
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the hyperspace backwash when the Shadows pulled out. This was
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first mentioned as a danger in [30]"Signs and Portents," in which
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Sinclair warns Ivanova to stay away from the raider mothership to
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avoid being pulled into its backwash.
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Notes
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* The list of sites accepting refugees from Ventari III, as shown in
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Ivanova's broadcast:
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+ Tizino Prime (presumed destroyed later in the episode)
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+ Mokafa Station
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+ Drazi Fendamir Research Colony
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+ Kazomi III
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+ D'Grn IV
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+ L'Gn'Daort
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+ Nacambad Colony
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+ 7 Lukantha
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+ Oqmritkz
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+ Velatastat
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+ Lesser Krindar
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+ Greater Krindar
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* The rightmost head in Cartagia's shadow cabinet is Andreas
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Katsulas (G'Kar.) See [31]jms speaks.
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* "Apotheosis" means "elevation to divine status," or more simply,
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deification.
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* The two Koshes left the scene of the firefight through the
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ceiling. If they were headed for space, they took the long way
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there; to get outside through the ceiling, they'd have to pass
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through the center of the station.
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jms speaks
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* _In response to a [32]CompuServe message_
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That was really excellent. Let me explain to you how excellent it
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was: I was taking a break on CIS because I was trying to work
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through the heart of a scene between Delenn and Sheridan in script
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403. It was a little fuzzy there in places, and I usually log off
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and putter around rather than trying to write it when it isn't all
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there yet in my head. Your analysis helped me clarify something in
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my own mind which was there in the first place but hadn't yet
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racked into focus yet. It would've done so eventually, it always
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does, but you may have saved me an hour or two of going back over
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their relationship in my head and pulling out the emotional and
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thematic undercurrents of what's been established over the last
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couple of seasons.
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Good stuff.
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* One is falling toward something which is rising, therefore
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promising imminent conflict.
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* _Which storyline does the title refer to?_
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Interpretation is everything...I prefer to leave it that way.
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* _Does it end in a cliffhanger?_
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No, it doesn't exactly end with a cliffhanger.
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It does, however, end on a cliff.
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* So earlier this week we did the audio mix on almost all of 404,
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"Falling Toward Apotheosis," which airs this coming week. We did
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all but 7 minutes, because they were seven...big...minutes.
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Last night, after working at the stage from early morning on, John
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Copeland, George Johnsen and I left about 7 p.m. to go and mix the
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audio for those seven minutes.
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We finished at 2:30 a.m. (And I had to get up at 7:30 a.m. for a
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meeting, no less.)
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Point being...if you've got a friend with a good TV and a spiffy
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audio or surround sound system, you may want to watch this next
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one over at their place.
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Just a thought.
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* _Which seven minutes?_
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From Lyta's entrance to Kosh's place, to Lorien's hand.
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* _About the shadow cabinet_
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Yes, that's Andreas' head, which I personally moved over to where
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it would be beside Peter...who complained (in jest) that Andreas
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was again stealing the scene from him.
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* _Why is everyone acting strangely toward Garibaldi?_
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The main reason for the non-big reaction to Garibaldi is that none
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of them really know of anything that went on. He says he just got
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caught in the hyperspace backwash, and his ship got swiped. And
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it's a fairly thin story, so there's some questioning of what's
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not being said, or is this the whole story? So people are bound to
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be a bit more tentative...and, again, there's a big huge war on,
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and pilots returning from missions at the height of WW2 were given
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a handshake and told to get back into the plane for the next
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mission.
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* _Have we seen a Vorlon's true appearance?_
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That's pretty much what they look like.
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* Actually, we kinda decided to cut back a bit on lens
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flare...because that particular one is now used in so many places,
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it's become a cliche. We tried out a new kind of flare in the
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Kosh2 scene, when he nails Sheridan, you can just sorta see
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it...once everyone else does what we've been doing, we tend to
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move on to newer areas.
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* _Why didn't Kosh project an illusion?_
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Because it takes concentration to pull it off, and Kosh2 was kinda
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distracted....
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* The encounter suit was mainly to mask them.
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* The idea was to short out and "crack" the suit, getting the vorlon
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out, so the last of Kosh and Lorien and Sheridan could deal with
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him in a weakened and more vulnerable state.
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* _The Vorlons looked a bit like Shadows._
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I didn't think they looked that much alike. But then, no two
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people ever see Vorlons in quite the same way, I guess.
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* _If Vorlons are amorphous energy beings, how was Kosh poisoned in
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[33]"The Gathering?"_
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Remember, they do have a certain physicality about them, even in
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that form, and the nature of the poison was such that it would
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affect that kind of life form using a crystalline base (note in
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the pilot the screen reads analyzing crystalline structure, and
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you filter light or refract or distort it using a crystalline
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structure).
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* Silicon or crystalline based lifeforms are still lifeforms, just
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not the same as carbon-based lifeforms (like us).
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* Yes, that's a Vorlon...and there was a physicality to them, shown
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by the fact that it could strike out and hit things. It's not a
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ghost or anything of that nature, it can be hurt and killed.
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* _What was Delenn doing at the fight?_
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Well, I think it's pretty obvious she would've known about it,
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given her proximity to Sheridan...and if I knew something this big
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was going on, sure as heck *I'd* want to be there to see it.
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* _What was Kosh's ship doing?_
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It was responding to Kosh2's commands to get out of there so he/it
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could enter it and escape.
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* _Wouldn't the original Kosh have stopped it from tearing the
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station apart?_
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There wasn't enough left for that...it was just a hint of him,
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that later needed to be bolstered by both Lorien and Sheridan to
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hit even a part of its original ability.
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* Kosh went with the new vorlon into the ship, and that final blast
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was what did the job ultimately.
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* _Didn't Lyta already tell the new Kosh that Sheridan had a piece
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of the old Kosh?_
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Actually, she said, "I think, it's possible, someone else does."
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But she didn't specify Sheridan, and likely wouldn't have until
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she knew absolutely for certain...and until she knew a little more
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about the vorlon she was dealing with.
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* _Was Kosh aware of what was being planned?_
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I'd say it was aware of this, yes...and you can hear just a trace
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of its voice just before it emerges.
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* All trace of Kosh is gone. He/it will never be seen again, in any
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form, exempting flashbacks, of which none are currently planned.
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* _Was it necessary to kill the new Kosh?_
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Had Kosh2 left when asked, it wouldn't have had to be done, no. It
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was vaguely possible, but they had to plan as if he would not do
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so, which in fact was what happened.
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* The idea was to force Kosh2 out of the station, to where it could
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be destroyed outside with a minimum of damage to the station.
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Delenn wasn't happy about it, but also recognizes that war means
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sometimes having to kill somebody.
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* _With two of their ambassadors dead, won't the Vorlons take
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revenge against B5?_
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Of course, at the moment, the vorlons are a little busy...but
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given time, yes, they would do exactly that.
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* _Did the original storyline call for the first Kosh to be killed
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in this episode?_
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Best to leave what might've been out...what is, is better.
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* There's a lot more to be said of the story of Kosh, and the
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Vorlons in general...and part of me says explain it later...and
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another part says that if you explain mysteries too much, it
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destroys them.
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* Morden is living in denial...he's afraid, and hoping he's right.
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Centauri Prime has more civilians than any other planet or colony
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hit so far: three billion people. The shadows are hoping a figure
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that high will daunt even the Vorlons.
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The wings are just how we perceived them, to some extent, though
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we did see a hint of wings as the last of Kosh emerged from
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Sheridan. (We also heard the wing flap sound, and the sound of
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Kosh's voice for the last time right after Lorien's "Now.")
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Dr. Kyle saw the angelic form...even in its reduced state, it held
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itself together enough to maintain that form.
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* _Was Sheridan almost dead in [34]"War Without End, Part Two?"_
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Yep, at the time of that flash-forward, Sheridan has at most 2-3
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years left to live.
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* _Had he followed Delenn's advice, would he be in the same
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situation anyway?_
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Had he not gone to Z'ha'dum, he would've avoided that fate, but
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caused another.
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* Minbari can easily live to about 140 or so.
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* _Was it fair of Sheridan to propose to Delenn after Lorien's bad
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news?_
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Well, I think it's better for someone to know that first, then
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find out about it later. "Oh, good, we're going to spend the rest
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of our lives together...oh, by the way, now that you've committed,
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you should know...."
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Uh, uh.
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* _Delenn is spending a lot of time fawning over Sheridan._
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"Considering her past role in Minbari society, though, I expect
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her to snap out of it pretty soon. She was *trained* to take
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charge, and even the things she's endured lately won't supress
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that conditioning forever."
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Oh, most definitely...count on it. She's done more than enough "oh
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john" stuff for my tastes...that will start to change, and soon.
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* Too much depression and guilt lately, and she's been for the most
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part a passive character lately, while others acted around her.
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Now it's about time for her to start becoming active again.
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There's fire and steel in *use*, and fire and steel waiting to be
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called upon...time to shift from the latter to the former.
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* _How does the Minbari sleep-watching ritual compare in seriousness
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to Sheridan's marriage proposal?_
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Well, I think it fair to say that with Delenn starting the ritual,
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there had already been kind of an implicit understanding that this
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was going to be more than just a fling...and there's still a long
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road ahead of them before this can be finalized.
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* _Why doesn't Cartagia have the telepaths seen in [35]"The Coming
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of Shadows?"_
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They weren't prophetesses, they were communications-telepaths, and
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the emperor can use them if he perceives the need to keep in
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contact with events in the royal court. Cartagia could give a fig
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for what goes at home, which will be ash soon anyway....
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* _Cartagia wouldn't go to Narn just because Londo asked._
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Except, of course, this trip with G'Kar was in his best interest,
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and Cartagia is always responsive to what's best for Cartagia.
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* For my money, the truly frightening thing about Cartagia is that
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he is motivated entirely by whim, by caprice...he can give you
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something wonderful one moment, then turn around and have you
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killed the next. You *never* know which way he'll flip from moment
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to moment.
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* _Why didn't Londo try to save G'Kar's eye?_
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Yeah...would've been nice if Londo had at least tried to do
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something about the eye that did not see Cartagia's splendor....
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* The Londo stuff is nice, and you do get a sense of the kind of
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person he was before the empire began to slip, and his fortunes
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with it. He can definitely pull it out when he wants to.
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* _Only 3 billion people on Centauri Prime?_
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Basically, I figured with a culture in decline, often the birth
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rate goes down; it's also a fairly small world, all things
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considered...and a LOT of them live on other colonies, they've
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been spreading out a lot longer than we have...and of course they
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have always been sensible about birth control and population
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growth, one of their few wisdoms, and one we could learn from.
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* _Was Kosh's comment about Sheridan opening an unexpected door in
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[36]"The Hour of the Wolf" related to the change in Vorlon
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strategy?_
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They couldn't break the rules of engagement, but he did...and
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started things moving.
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* _Wasn't the planet-killer a break in the rules?_
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That *followed* his trip to Z'ha'dum...so yes, the rules began to
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slip after that.
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27. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/070.html#JS.wwe2
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28. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/053.html
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29. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/031.html
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30. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/013.html
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31. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/070.html#JS.head
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32. http://www.johndelenn.com/responsibility-forgiveness.html
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33. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/000.html
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34. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/061.html
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35. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/031.html
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36. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/067.html
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37. file://localhost/lurk/lurker.html
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38. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/070.html#TOP
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39. file://localhost/cgi-bin/uncgi/lgmail
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40. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/episodes.php
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41. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/069.html
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42. file://localhost/home/woodstock/hyperion/docs/lurk/guide/071.html
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43. file://localhost/lurk/lastmod.html
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