Babylon 5 posts by JMS on GEnie for Second half of March, 1994 This file includes a compilation of posts on GEnie by J. Michael Straczynski in the Babylon 5 category. The posts are copyright by JMS (and compilation copyright is by GEnie). ************ Topic 1 Mon Oct 26, 1992 SF-MARSHALL [Dave ] at 18:50 EST Sub: Babylon 5 - The Series (Non-Spoiler) Welcome to the Babylon 5 category and main topic for the new series. Here is the place for all general information on the series. Topic 2 is the location for SPOILERS. And please, NO STORY IDEAS are to be posted either. 773 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 18, Topic 1 Message 627 Fri Mar 18, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:19 EST Less than one week left of filming on Year One. Eek. ]*D,2 If I can put a word out onto the electronic web...usually, in the network shows, a series runs its course, and at the end of the season, the network decides whether or not to renew. Because of the schedule of PTEN, the decision to renew or not comes in April/May. While the ratings are good -- mention of the B5 ratings got a headline in today's "Hollywood Reporter" along with ST -- there's a new wrinkle in the situation. The new Paramount Network. They're making deals with stations as fast as they can, snatching up the independent stations and trying to secure the few remaining available timeslots (which with the glut of programs now are continually growing smaller in number). So for a station, it's a choice between two or more shows that might rate equally fine, but there's outside pressure. Point being this (and anyone who wants to upload this entire message to other nets, feel free): if -- IF -- you genuinely enjoy the show, and would like to see it renewed, this would be a very good time to drop your local TV station a letter indicating this. The stations have a direct input as to whether or not shows are renewed. It certainly couldn't hurt. jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 1 Message 634 Fri Mar 18, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 20:35 EST The reference was not to "V," but to the military use of this over the last several decades, particularly in WW II. (And I didn't work on the V series, only the new (and never produced) 4-hour miniseries that was intended to revive the series.) jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 1 Message 679 Mon Mar 21, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:37 EST Whenever I have spoken of Berman and Pillar to the press, I have characterized them as honorable people. The press goes out of its way to foment controversy, and after my initial reaction to the DS9 premise, it was my eventual decision to simply produce the show and, at that point, it survives or falls on its own merits. If Pillar is going to get into name- calling and characterizations and this kind of playground vernacular, I see no reason to join him there. BTW...flew back this morning from Houston, where on behalf of B5, I received the award from the Space Frontier Foundation for Best Vision of the Future. Based in part on our attempt -- within the confines of dramatic TV -- to stick with real science...ships that move the right way in space, commercial use of space surveying, civilian ships, the use of an O'Neill-type station for the first time in TV or movies, and so on. At my table was co- recipient astronaut Pete Conrad. (I commented to him that, as someone who *writes* about space, to sit across from someone who LIVED there, was like being a lay priest called upon to say High Mass at the Vatican, before the Pope, on Easter sunday. He laughed.) We have worked hard to make B5 as accurate a presentation of a possible future as we can, and the receipt of this award, from a national group of scientists, engineers, astronauts, researchers and others (some involved heavily in the Delta Clipper project) makes it equal to the Emmy, in my view, however much more emphasis the media may place on the former. jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 1 Message 719 Sun Mar 27, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:19 EST Some international info...B5 goes on the air May 16th on Channel 4 in the UK. Other places that'll be carrying the show starting around that same time: AUM Trinidad; Canal Plus, France; Set Eitz, Germany; RCTI, the Philipines; Sky- TV; 7 Network, Australia; and miscellaneous places I don't have full info on (some just station IDs, some areas): Taipei, TV3, TVNZ, TTV, IBC, BEC, Canal Sinco, ICP, Proziba, and Italy. jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 1 Message 733 Mon Mar 28, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 23:31 EST Actually, we came very close to doing a black-and-white segment this season, and might do so next. Well, last night was the B5 wrap party, at Pickwick Bowl here in the valley, opposite the equestrian center. I think I bowled about nine games in a row, and currently ache in muscles I didn't know I had. About 325 cast, crew, writers and producers. Harlan showed up, and after a slow start bowled 180 and whomped hell out of us. I averaged about 160 in my later games. Or less. David Gerrold showed up, Larry, Andreas, Michael, Peter, Mira, Caitlin, Bill...and the B5 Blasters, the art department bowling team with their own bowling shirts. When I left, about 12:30 am, things were still going pretty strong. jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 1 Message 742 Wed Mar 30, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:37 EST Well, now I've heard it all...was speaking to Walter Koenig tonight, and he mentioned being at a convention this past weekend, and hearing a lot of positive B5 comments. Along the way, he overheard a discussion between a bunch of folk, many of whom were defending TNG and DS9's rather minimal SFX and smaller cast and other stuff by saying that it wasn't a fair comparison, "since B5 has a lot more money to spend than TNG or DS9." I could've plotzed..... P.S. A schedule for those interested: CONFIRMED schedule.... April 20th, "Deathwalker," by Lawrence G. DiTillio April 27th, "Believers," by David Gerrold May 4th, "Survivors," by Marc Scott Zicree May 11th, "Signs and Portents," by jms May 18th, "By Any Means Necessary," by Kathryn M. Drennan May 25th, "The Quality of Mercy," by jms Then repeats from June 1 through October 5th, in order to stretch new episodes through the November sweeps. TENTATIVE schedule of final episodes.... October 12th, "Grail," by Christy Marx October 19th, "Eyes," by Lawrence G. DiTillio October 26th, "TKO," by Lawrence G. DiTillio November 2nd, "A Voice in the Wilderness, Part 1," by jms November 9th, "A Voice in the Wilderness, Part 2," by jms November 16th, "Babylon Squared," by jms November 23rd, "Legacies," by D.C. Fontana November 30th, "Chrysalis," by jms jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 1 Message 746 Wed Mar 30, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:59 EST About time you started to put out.... jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 1 Message 760 Thu Mar 31, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:22 EST Quickies...apparently (I'm told) Howard Stern mentioned B5 favorably in both his Tuesday AND Wednesday broadcasts, though I haven't heard it myself. This after a prior mention some time ago. We must be doing *something* right. Also...apparently, at a convention, Rick Sternbach from ST said that the ST shows (DS9 and, subsequently, Voyager) would be shifting over to primarily computer EFX rather than models. They're going to start coming over to OUR turf...and engaging in the usual learning curve, trial and erros, which we've already gone through. Me...I just sit here and smile...and on one level, despite the way it may appear, I'm pleased. It shows we were right. And if they start doing CGI, it'll force both sides to again be competitive in terms of doing more, pushing things. And that friendly competition is good for the blood, it should keep both shows on the cutting edge. It'll also enable other shows to come in using CGI, meaning more SF on the air. It also ties into what I've heard lately, that Paramount is getting hammered by some of the stations asking why the hell DS9 episodes often cost 1.7 to 2 million dollars an episode to produce, where B5 is doing more, with half the budget. I would love to hear the response to that. We're putting the finishing touches on the two-parter this week, and this one's really a blow-out episode. More and bigger sets, more CGI than just about any prior episode, and more *elaborate* CGI, a big story...we keep trying to get more ambitious as we go along. So far it looks like we'll have at *minimum* one real blow-out action episode in each ratings cycle; "Signs and Portents" in May, and the two-parter in November (though I probably should include "Babylon Squared" and "Chrysalis" in that same category...November is going to be the month we fry VCRs around the country). As well as appearing at ICON mid-April, I plan to be at the Chicago Comic Convention around July 1-3, and at San Diego ComicCon afterward. jms ------------ ************ Topic 2 Wed Nov 20, 1991 STARR [Arne] at 19:41 EST Sub: Babylon 5 -- The Series!! >>SPOILERS<< Babylon 5 offically became a series on May 28 '93. There will be 22 hour eps for season one (in addition to the pilot). Airs Wednesdays at 8PM in most places starting Jan. 26 '94. This is the SPOILER topic where anything goes. 833 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 18, Topic 2 Message 713 Wed Mar 16, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:11 EST Longshot: it was a tip of the cap to the Prisoner, yes. Episodes are all in various stages of post-production; they come out helter-skelter, higgeldy-piggeldy, you name it. We're pretty much caught up on all the episodes filmed; we have to finalize editing on the two-parter, then edit the last episode, and that's done. A bunch of the others are still being scored, mixed, composited, you name it. So that's really a very hard question to answer. Just today finished editing on "Babylon Squared," which looks really cool, will mix "Signs and Portents" in two days, and finalized the mix on "The Quality of Mercy" today. jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 2 Message 767 Tue Mar 22, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:02 EST Teaser, four acts, tag. jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 2 Message 789 Fri Mar 25, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:39 EST Mike: see my comment in 19. There's some more fun between Garibaldi and Talia down the road, and one elevator scene in particular that I think you'll like. We've killed off all of Ivanova's close family, yes. Maybe some cousins are left, but that's about it. A little aside for you...at one point this season, Delenn goes to the Grey Council. There's a ritual she has to observe when she joins the ranks of the Nine. Part of it is this statement she makes upon entering the circle: "I am Grey. I stand between the candle, and the star. We are Grey. We stand between the darkness, and the light." jms ------------ ************ Topic 4 Tue Nov 03, 1992 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:12 EST Sub: Babylon 5 - Cast & Characters For discussion of the actors who will be bringing BABYLON 5 to life with their performances...for information before, and discussion after the airing of "The Gathering" pilot. 439 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 18, Topic 4 Message 418 Sun Mar 27, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 18:41 EST I don't think Mira or her husband have that much direct communication with her countrypersons anymore. But that's an assumption based on some but not a lot of talk with her on this subject. Obviously it's a delicate subject. jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 4 Message 420 Mon Mar 28, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 04:23 EST Episode 9 and a bunch of others are finished and delivered; have been for some time. The stations need to stretch episodes through the November sweeps, hence staggered reruns. jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 4 Message 433 Thu Mar 31, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:28 EST Well, I'd love to try to get Patrick McGoohan again...we'll have more appearances by Koenig, of course...possible we'll see Christopher Neame again (he said mysteriously)...I'd like to use Robert Vaughn, Robert Culp, and even some actors without Robert as their first name. If I applied a real wish- list, it wouldn't do any good, since the actors I'd love most to use are way beyond TV syndication prices (Edward Woodward, for instance). I'd kinda love to drag Bill Windom over from M,SW to do a quick episode for us. Tom Baker, definitely. I've spoken to Colin Baker about the possibility, and that could probably be arranged easily enough. Anyway, a lot of it depends on the scripts, and on schedules. So we'll see.... jms ------------ ************ Topic 13 Mon Nov 23, 1992 T.ORTH [Mr. Rico] at 21:00 EST Sub: Babylon 5 - Science & Technology Jump gates, nanotech, high-tech weapons, starship drives, sound in space, and other subjects of science and technology in Babylon 5. 596 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 18, Topic 13 Message 573 Mon Mar 21, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 19:44 EST I dunno...that's an *awful* big cruiser, given the specs. The thing to bear in mind is that in space, you don't really have a reference point. So if something is in the foreground, it can look large against the background (the cruiser), making the cruiser look small. (It's the same effect as holding a tennis ball in front of your eye, and using it to block out the sun; the tennis ball isn't bigger than the sun, it's a matter of where you're standing.) Sinclair's ship is a LONG ways from the cruiser when last you see it. That maw is a massive launch area. It's really *huge*. Perhaps you'll get a better understanding of how big it is in a certain later episode, where you'll be able to see a single ship entering the maw *at* the maw itself, which should put it all into the correct perspective. jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 13 Message 575 Tue Mar 22, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:14 EST Will look into some new gifs soonest.... jms ------------ ************ Topic 23 Fri Feb 12, 1993 V.VAIDY1 [Vijay] at 23:00 EST Sub: "OtherWorks" by JMS Before there was "B5" and when "JMS" was just another Plain Joe, there was OtherSyde [A discussion of the other works of J. Michael Straczynski] 168 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 18, Topic 23 Message 163 Mon Mar 21, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:55 EST I wrote a total of, as I recall, 12 or so episodes of new TZ. Some of the better ones of mine include "The Mind of Simon Foster" (which you noted), "Dream Me a Life," "Special Service," "Acts of Terror" and "Rendezvous in a Dark Place." jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 23 Message 166 Sat Mar 26, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 20:04 EST Yep; the Zone with Skerrit was mine, and all the CBS TZs were edited to fit into the half-hour slot. jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 23 Message 168 Sun Mar 27, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 18:43 EST Thanks; that one came out pretty well, actually. jms ------------ ************ Topic 24 Fri Jun 04, 1993 J.ROY18 [Jonathan] at 21:11 EDT Sub: Babylon 5 - Weapons and Warfare! For discussion about the weapons, counter weapons, armor, shielding, tactics, logistics, and so forth, of small combat and large scale war in the Babylon 5 universe. 545 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 18, Topic 24 Message 504 Mon Mar 21, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:57 EST It's 23E, yes. And the ships have been somewhat upgraded, but the basic configuration remains. Also, after the war, a LOT of the EA's fleet was wiped out, so it's been a very slow process of putting out new ships. Even B5 isn't completely armed as of this time; they'll be getting in their final squadron, Zeta Squadron, in "Survivors." (Right now all they have are Delta and Alpha flights.) The budget is very tight. jms ------------ Category 18, Topic 24 Message 513 Wed Mar 23, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:31 EST Correct; the fighters enter via the main docking bay, are lowered into maintainance bays, repaired/recharged, then set back in place. You will see a goodly portion of this in "Survivors." And the Narns didn't really have the resources for an invasion of Earth at that time. Nor would much be gained, either. jms ------------ ************ Topic 25 Fri Mar 12, 1993 S.SHELLENBAR [>> SHANE <<] at 08:47 EST Sub: J. Michael Straczynski Speaks in Public This is the place to find out where and when JMS will be appearing next. JMS has honed his skills as a public speaker and is taking his act on the road. 434 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 18, Topic 25 Message 434 Wed Mar 23, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:32 EST Saturday, April 2nd, Burbank Airport Hilton, 2:00, appearing at Phil and Ed's convention. jms ------------ ************ Topic 3 Sat Oct 16, 1993 STARR [Arne] at 10:43 EDT Sub: The Gathering -- the pilot film This topic is for discussion of the 2 hour pilot film. 104 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 19, Topic 3 Message 99 Wed Mar 16, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:01 EST Kosh was the only occupant that we know of, and the ship is still there, except when he takes it out on occasion. jms ------------ ************ Topic 4 Sat Oct 16, 1993 STARR [Arne] at 10:46 EDT Sub: Midnight on the Firing Line (#103) The first episode of the new series appearing in late January. 197 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 19, Topic 4 Message 192 Wed Mar 23, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:21 EST The fighters are launched from the cobra bays. The cobra bays rotate. jms ------------ Category 19, Topic 4 Message 195 Thu Mar 24, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 04:52 EST No comment. jms ------------ ************ Topic 9 Sat Oct 16, 1993 STARR [Arne] at 22:58 EDT Sub: And the Sky Full of Stars (#106) by JMS. Time to find out about Sinclair's "hole in his mind". 216 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 19, Topic 9 Message 32 Wed Mar 16, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:44 EST What? Who, me? Near as I remember, the Question was, "What happened at the Battle of the Line?" Answer: Sinclair was taken aboard the Minbari cruiser, tortured, interrogated, mind-wiped and shoved back into his ship. The Question *now* is, "WHY was Sinclair taken aboard the Minbari cruiser, tortured, interrogated, mind-wiped and shoved back into his ship?" That question was not asked heretofore...so how could it be still unanswered? jm(who took two semesters of Logic in college)s ------------ Category 19, Topic 9 Message 34 Wed Mar 16, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:34 EST Nope. You can't string folks along that long. A goodly portion of it will be out by season's end. Not all, but a *lot*. jms ------------ Category 19, Topic 9 Message 58 Thu Mar 17, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 04:01 EST Goodman: the CGI won't look as good in slow motion because we step- printed them deliberately, in order to give them a more dream-like appearance. For us, this wasn't about the ships, it was about one of the men in the ship, which is why we kept him in sharp focus, and went to step-printing whenever we went outside (and since we're seeing this from his memory, clearly he wouldn't actually have *seen* most of this, it's his *sense* of what happened). You'll get plenty of clear CGI in "Signs and Portents," airing in May. jms ------------ Category 19, Topic 9 Message 79 Fri Mar 18, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:10 EST Some random thoughts: I would *never* pull a "he wakes up and it was all a dream" on the series. I hate that kind of story. There's more in that newspaper than meets the eye.... Note in the episode that when Sinclair's wheeled down the hall, still in his uniform, he's not bloodied up. But is later. This is, as stated, one of my favorites from this season. (And the person behind the lighting is the same one behind all the episodes, John Flinn, our cinematographer, working with Janet Greek, our director.) I would put at this approximate level (some better, some as good) the following episodes (for varying reasons): "By Any Means Necessary," "Babylon Squared," "Signs and Portents," "A Voice in the Wilderness," and of course "Chrysalis." jms ------------ Category 19, Topic 9 Message 137 Tue Mar 22, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:10 EST What will be revealed over the course of the series? All of it. By the time the series has run its five-year course (Neilsen willing), there will only be ONE unanswered question left: "NOW what?" jms ------------ Category 19, Topic 9 Message 143 Wed Mar 23, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 14:45 EST The platform is the zero-g cargo area; you'll see it in more detail later in the season. jms ------------ Category 19, Topic 9 Message 162 Fri Mar 25, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:35 EST Let me just offer an observation here. A number of people have commented that they weren't much surprised by Sinclair being taken aboard, because on the nets -- and this has ONLY taken place on the nets -- this speculation has been bandied about for some time. We now have ten zillion speculations on the reason *why*. I will not comment on them one way or another (though I suppose I could point, without making the real comparison between types of typists, to the idea that an infinte number of monkeys typing on an infinite number of keyboards would eventually produce Hamlet simply by chance combination; sooner or later, something close to the reality might be stumbled upon...and let me ask a simple question: what purpose does that serve? It only lessens the enjoyment of those who would simply like to enjoy what happens WHEN it happens). Any good detective knows that you can't really begin to speculate about motive until you have all the information right at hand. At this point there is information you don't have...and absent that, any guesses will either be wrong, or close enough to hinder the fun but still essentially incorrect. It's like trying to guess the contents of a box without knowing the size of the box...it could be a marble, it could be an elephant or a pre-fabricated house. All I'm suggesting is that you consider not trying to come up with every possible angle, and let the show progress on its own. Right now everybody seems to be scrambling to make sure every even remotely feasible possibility is covered, and there an infinite number. As an organized activity, this will in time only prove frustrating. By the end of the season, as with being near the end of a movie, you'll have enough info on hand to start making some educated guesses. To do so now is to begin the process of calling out possible endings during the first five minutes of a movie...you'll miss the important things, and annoy the people sitting behind you. I'm not saying stop; I'm just saying...relax, a little, I guess, and simply be aware that you *cannot* scatter-shot this thing without having access to all the information. It's like trying to guess the beginnings of World War One without knowing *any* of the background of the countries involved. Suffice to say that the reason would not be simplistic, or cliched, or *easily deduced*. One thing I learned in two years on "Murder, She Wrote" was to come up with a fairly complex mystery, something that can't be easily solved going in, but which makes perfect sense after you have all the facts and know which clues were the real ones, and which were simply red herrings. Just a thought.... jms ------------ Category 19, Topic 9 Message 170 Sat Mar 26, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:42 EST It's not so much story ideas (though I suppose there is some validity to that point) as...I dunno...just seeing one speculation after another after another, going through every conceivable possibility and combination...granted, some is inevitable, it was just the systematic and extremely...*energetic* hammering that made me wonder if this might not end up hindering people's enjoyment of the show and its revelations rather than assisting it. jms ------------ Category 19, Topic 9 Message 178 Sat Mar 26, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 19:58 EST There are no apologies to be made, and I do understand, that's the point. I was just echoing the comments just preceding this one. Which is all I'll say on it henceforth. Just trying to help. jms ------------ Category 19, Topic 9 Message 191 Sun Mar 27, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 18:36 EST The episode of "Mind War" broadcast henceforth will be the one with slight alteration. What's the difference between a story idea and a speculation...eek. The problem with this whole discussion -- perhaps the main problem -- is the fuzziness, because it *hasn't been defined yet*. We are now in the OF defining it via this exchange. It's what a person might choose to sue over. And there's no way to quantify or predict that. I do think there's *some* difference between the two. I think that primary way this discussion can get into trouble is in the level of detail. It's pretty much impossible to sue for a brief *idea*; but the more elaborate a suggestion or speculation gets, the more points of potential comparison emerge, and the greater the liability. "See, your honor? My speculation on what happened contained 57 specific plot points, and what Straczynski later produced had 54 of those points. I submit that he saw what I wrote, decided it was better, stole my idea, and took it for his own!" Bottom line...I only got into this discussion, really, because I didn't want people futilely spinning their wheels, because minus the 4 or 5 main plot points you don't have yet, it's nearly impossible to guess what's going on. It's like trying to determine who committed a murder when all you've been told is that there's a dead body...not when it was committed, or where, or how the person died, or what clues were found, or where all the suspects were at the time. My primary concern was in not letting the frustration level get too high. The other matter was tangential. But since it has come up...again, I'd say that the main point of differentiation is in the level of complexity. The longer and more detailed the speculation, new histories for characters, new behind the scenes stuff, plot complications, motivations, on and on -- the more something is built that one could sue over. This is a very difficult area, and there are all kinds of ways that it can bite you. Over on CIS, for instance, Paramount came down on a series of messages with speculative plot info on ST 7 with lawyers and in injunction and major-leage threats against the people involved, CIS itself and anyone else they could think of. We're trying to find a more personable way of handling this situation. And for the most part, I think we're doing fine. But every so often this little issue raises its ugly head, and has to be dealt with. jms ------------ ************ Topic 10 Sat Oct 16, 1993 STARR [Arne] at 22:59 EDT Sub: The War Prayer (#107) by Dorothy Fontana. 95 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 19, Topic 10 Message 83 Wed Mar 16, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:05 EST It wasn't a reference to the Heinlein book, only to the historical use of that design. Re: the breather masks...in cases of riot, sometimes they pump in gas. Also, if they have to chase any of the aliens into the alien sector's alternate-atmosphere sections, they have to be wearing breathers. (Believe me, we had a *long* discussion about this.) jms ------------ ************ Topic 13 Sun Oct 17, 1993 STARR [Arne] at 15:15 EDT Sub: Mind War (#110) by JMS. Co-Starring Walter Koenig. 206 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 19, Topic 13 Message 202 Wed Mar 16, 1994 STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:06 EST "Commander" wasn't dubbed onto Walter. That was Ironheart speaking with his back to us. jms ------------