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  1. <!-- TITLE Shadow Dancing -->
  2. <h2><a name="OV">Overview</a></h2>
  3. <blockquote><cite>
  4. Sheridan launches a preemptive strike against the Shadows. Franklin
  5. jeopardizes his life while trying to do a good deed.
  6. </cite>
  7. <a href="http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Prestia,+Shirley">Shirley Prestia</a> as Barbara.
  8. <a href="http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Gilbert-Boxleitner,+Melissa">Melissa Gilbert</a> as Anna.
  9. </blockquote>
  10. <pre><a href="/lurk/p5/intro.html">P5 Rating</a>: <a href="/lurk/p5/065">9.25</a>
  11. Production number: 321
  12. Original air week: September 15, 1996 (UK)
  13. October 21, 1996 (US)
  14. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009OOFK/thelurkersguidet">DVD release date</a>: August 12, 2003
  15. Written by J. Michael Straczynski
  16. Directed by Kim Friedman
  17. </pre>
  18. <p>
  19. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000002VUX/thelurkersguidet">An
  20. episodic soundtrack is available.</a>
  21. <p>
  22. <hr size=3>
  23. <h2><a name="BP">Backplot</a></h2>
  24. <ul>
  25. <li> In Minbari tradition, when two Minbari become close it is the
  26. custom for the female to keep vigil at the male's side for three nights
  27. while he sleeps. This is thought to reveal the male's true
  28. personality, because while you're asleep, you can't keep up your guard,
  29. and this helps the female decide whether the relationship should
  30. continue.
  31. </ul>
  32. <h2><a name="UQ">Unanswered Questions</a></h2>
  33. <ul>
  34. <li> How many ships did the League worlds withhold from the battle?
  35. <li> How many ships were destroyed in the battle? How many people died?
  36. <li> Why has Anna Sheridan come to Babylon 5? Is she as much of a pawn of the
  37. Shadows as Morden? (See <a href="#AN">Analysis</a>)
  38. <li> How will Anna Sheridan's presence affect Sheridan's near-engagement to
  39. Delenn?
  40. <li>@@@847013324 How did Anna get into Sheridan's quarters?
  41. <li> Why have the Shadows not yet attacked Babylon 5?
  42. <li> How badly were the Shadows hurt by this battle?
  43. <li> Why did Sheridan keep dreaming the dream after Kosh died? Is it
  44. because of the piece of the Vorlon inside of him, and if so, is it
  45. somehow guiding him?
  46. <li> How did Anna know Delenn's name? Did Morden tell her?
  47. <li> Were the Vorlons approached to be part of the battle fleet?
  48. <li> Who else might have survived the Icarus?
  49. </ul>
  50. <h2><a name="AN">Analysis</a></h2>
  51. <ul>
  52. <li> In this battle, it's said that for each Shadow ship that was destroyed,
  53. two Army of Light ships were destroyed. This forces the question: who
  54. has more ships, the Army of Light, or the Shadows? And if the Shadows
  55. have as many or more, what does that bode for the coming battles of this
  56. war?
  57. <li> It's plausible that Anna Sheridan is acting on behalf of the
  58. Shadows just as Morden is. Will Sheridan react to her
  59. presence with an understanding that she's now an emissary of the
  60. Shadows?
  61. <li>@@@847042418 Delenn had a flashforward to Anna's arrival
  62. (<a href="061.html">"War Without End, Part Two."</a>)
  63. Why, then,
  64. was she surprised to see Anna? Perhaps she didn't expect it to happen
  65. that night. It's also true that Anna didn't identify herself in
  66. Delenn's flash, so perhaps Delenn didn't get as complete a view of the
  67. future as Sheridan (and earlier, Garibaldi and Sinclair) did.
  68. <li> This episode resolves, at least initially, most of Sheridan's dream
  69. from
  70. <a href="033.html">"All Alone in the Night."</a>
  71. Sheridan is "the hand," one half of a pair of opposing forces. He wears
  72. the Psi Corps badge to signify their alliance with Bester, and his
  73. position as someone in charge of large numbers of telepaths. Ivanova's
  74. statement, "Do you know who I am?" refers to her latent telepathic
  75. ability
  76. (<a href="041.html">"Divided Loyalties."</a>)
  77. However, it's still not clear who the "man in between" is. It's also
  78. not clear whether Sheridan's analysis, even with the help of Delenn
  79. and Ivanova, is actually correct.
  80. <li> Perhaps Anna Sheridan is the "man in between" from Sheridan's dream,
  81. despite the personal pronoun problems. Or perhaps she's an envoy of that
  82. man.
  83. <li>@@@846747133 "The man in between" implies someone on the other side.
  84. Who might that be?
  85. <li>@@@846745949 Sheridan openly talked about Ivanova's latent telepathy
  86. in front of Delenn. Does Ivanova no longer consider it such a secret,
  87. now that she's presumably beyond the reach of the Psi Corps? Or does
  88. Sheridan simply trust Delenn so much that it didn't occur to him he
  89. might be violating Ivanova's trust?
  90. <li>@@@846746028 Who is the third spotlight on the Minbari flagship meant
  91. for? Most likely it's simply a result of the Minbari doing everything
  92. in threes. Sheridan and Delenn gave orders from more than one place
  93. in the tactical center, so it's probably not a matter of the lights
  94. denoting different functions.
  95. <li>@@@865734490 Garibaldi's empathy for Franklin, to the point of waiting
  96. next to Franklin's bed, is likely due at least in part to Garibaldi's
  97. own experience with substance abuse
  98. (<a href="011.html">"Survivors,"</a>
  99. among other episodes.) He presumably knows something of what
  100. Franklin has been through.
  101. <li>@@@910036385 When Franklin and Sheridan are discussing Franklin's
  102. experience, the doctor comments, "Moments are all we have."
  103. Sheridan pauses as if remembering something. He may be recalling
  104. Delenn's similar comment in
  105. <a href="061.html">"War Without End part 2:"</a>
  106. "Savor the moments, for they will never come again."
  107. </ul>
  108. <h2><a name="NO">Notes</a></h2>
  109. <ul>
  110. <li>@@@844798195 Franklin's stumble into the crowd was reminiscent of
  111. two scenes from
  112. <a href="022.html">"Chrysalis,"</a>
  113. both Petrov's approach toward Garibaldi, and Garibaldi's later
  114. emergence at the party.
  115. <li> In Britain, Channel 4 edited out seven seconds of the attack on
  116. Franklin.
  117. <li> In a video message in
  118. <A HREF="024.html">"Revelations,"</A>
  119. Anna Sheridan was originally played by Beth Toussaint, not
  120. Melissa Gilbert.
  121. <li>@@@844077101 Some people have pointed out an apparent continuity
  122. glitch, but it's not. When Franklin is being wheeled into medlab after
  123. being stabbed, he sees Garibaldi, Ivanova, and Sheridan above him, even
  124. though Sheridan hasn't yet arrived on the station. But if you look
  125. at the surrounding shots from Franklin's point of view, it's clear
  126. he's simply hallucinating and imagining that the doctors around the
  127. gurney are his fellow officers; nowhere but that one shot do any
  128. people in command uniforms appear.
  129. <li>@@@898569598 The Egyptian blessing was first mentioned in
  130. <a href="026.html">"A Distant Star."</a>
  131. </ul>
  132. <h2><a name="JS">jms speaks</a></h2>
  133. <ul>
  134. <li> It takes 7 days to film an episode. My favorite is
  135. probably "Shadow Dancing," which you haven't seen yet, mainly because
  136. I haven't been able to poke any holes in it yet. It's a good ep.
  137. <p>
  138. <li> <em>Which of the last five episodes is your
  139. favorite?</em><br>
  140. It would be an even tie I think between the final two, "Shadow Dancing"
  141. and "Z'ha'dum." The two episodes are also linked at the hip, so they're
  142. really more like one unit...not so much a two-parter, but siamese twins,
  143. story-wise. They're both very exciting, move the arc forward hugely,
  144. and though they rely on a lot of backstory, are also good points for
  145. folks new to the show to dive in, because they also *explain* a lot of
  146. backstory, so they can get into it.
  147. <p>
  148. They're both just lovely, knockout episodes. And, at times, scary as
  149. hell.
  150. <p>
  151. <li> <em>About the UK possibly not showing the episode due to
  152. violent content</em><br>
  153. Yeah, when you get "Shadow Dancing," I'd love to see
  154. how much they slice outta this one....
  155. <p>
  156. <li>
  157. It is, not to put too fine a point on it...EXTREMELY important
  158. to see "Shadow Dancing." If they choose to cut the nasty bits that's
  159. one thing, it won't affect what You Need To See, but to not run it at
  160. all would be a disaster of substantial dimensions. Still, I imagine
  161. they'll run it; the nasty bits can be excised pretty well, if
  162. necessary, I should think.
  163. <p>
  164. <li> If they cut 7 seconds, it's likely the 7 seconds of the actual stabbing
  165. itself, which is implicit in what happens afterward, so it shouldn't
  166. have a major effect on being able to follow the story. It's a
  167. reasonable edit, and about what I'd expect given the general attitudes
  168. on TV violence among the UK TV networks.
  169. <p>
  170. <li> "You've mentioned a couple times that the upcoming
  171. "Shadow Dancing" will be quite violent. Should I be concerned about,
  172. say, my two-year old watching it? She's as hooked on the show as I
  173. am, and would probably feel quite left out..."
  174. <p>
  175. This is a tough one...I've given it a lot of thought since I saw
  176. this, and my sense is to advise the following:
  177. <p>
  178. If you possibly can, videotape the episode. Get the time code on the
  179. various pieces. We cut in and out of two stories, an A and a B
  180. story. One is violent, the other is not. You don't have to see the
  181. one, or see much of it, to follow the other. For someone as young as
  182. 2, I'd suggest fast-forwarding past the B story stuff. It's still
  183. within what's generally permitted on TV, but it is kinda harsh.
  184. <p>
  185. <li> I've seen and received some email recently that seems
  186. to have taken a message of mine and misconstrued it. Someone asked
  187. me if it were possible that "Shadow Dancing" might be snipped or
  188. dropped for some of the violence therein. I offered an *opinion*
  189. that it might be edited, and have no idea what their plans are for
  190. airing the episode itself. Let me repeat: this was only my opinion,
  191. offered in response to a hypothetical question. I have *no*
  192. information on anything C4 might -- or might NOT -- do with "Shadow
  193. Dancing," so my inclination would be to wait and see what happens
  194. rather than acting prematurely on something that might not happen.
  195. <p>
  196. <li>@@@864605945 <em>Have you ever gone walkabout?</em><br>
  197. Well....yeah, kinda. Back when I was living in San Diego (before it got
  198. nuked...well, that hasn't happened yet, but soon)...I got into a kind of
  199. similar mode of thought, and would go for walks through....downtown San
  200. Diego at 2-4 in the morning. Hours, hours, hours, just walking through
  201. parts of the area where I could've gotten killed. When folks asked me
  202. why, I couldn't answer, all I could come up with...was that I was
  203. looking for something. And I found it, kinda, and in a somewhat similar
  204. situation... but that gets into some other personal areas, and this may
  205. not be the right forum for that. Suffice to say I was....almost killed
  206. myself, and leave it at that.
  207. <p>
  208. <li>@@@864605945 Here's a funny thing.
  209. <p>
  210. Well, funny weird.
  211. <p>
  212. See, every so often, someone will ask, "How much of you goes into a
  213. script?" and I'll answer, "More than I know at the time," and they
  214. ask for an example. A few questions ago, someone asked about if I'd
  215. ever gone...on walkabout, and I thought of the San Diego thing...and
  216. it suddenly dawned on me that that was behind the Franklin thing.
  217. Long story short: I got attacked and mugged by a gang, and beaten
  218. nearly to death....and survived only by a sheer act of will. And
  219. I'd honestly never, ever put that together with Walkabout, until the
  220. question, and suddenly there it was, I was working out *exactly*
  221. what I'd gone though, denying it to myself...the whole time that it
  222. was going on. Well. Anyway. That just hit me like a ton of
  223. bricks, and thought I'd pass it along.
  224. <p>
  225. <li>@@@864605945 In retrospect, that was something I probably should
  226. not have mentioned,
  227. and would not have, had the thing not just utterly blindsided me in the
  228. middle of the conference. What got me through the attack, and its
  229. aftermath, those years ago, was sheer unadulterated rage...that I would
  230. not allow them to take my life because I had stories left in me to tell.
  231. And no matter what, I'd tell those stories. At first, I'd made my peace
  232. with myself...I'd never gone out of my way to hurt anyone, had helped
  233. where I could, had done some good work...I had a few things on the
  234. shelf, not a lot, but a start...but then I just started to get mad about
  235. it, and pulled myself back from the edge.
  236. <p>
  237. So yeah, in a sense, I've faced that black, implacable wall...and it
  238. does drive you, after a while. And I do think, to a large degree, I'm
  239. still trying to define myself, to find what it is that's at the center
  240. for me, beyond the work. But then, I don't think that's terribly
  241. special...it seems to be the standard dilemma in an industrial society.
  242. <p>
  243. <li> <em>In response to a review</em><br>
  244. Slight correction to the preview of the final 5 scenes at Worldcon; in
  245. the Delenn/Sheridan scene, she never said female Minbari can cut off the
  246. partner's sexual organs if they're pressed...what she said was, "If he
  247. forces the issue, she can complain to the elders, leave once he is
  248. asleep, even cut of his --" she searches for the right word "--
  249. *access* to her family." The humor is in his horror at what she
  250. might've been searching for in that word. A small correction in an
  251. otherwise great review, but as someone once said, god is in the
  252. details....
  253. <em>[That quote is from the architect Ludwig Mies Van der Rohe.]</em>
  254. <p>
  255. <li> The Minbari greeting is a hoot...there's a lot in that episode I
  256. just like a lot.
  257. <p>
  258. <li>@@@850550678 <em>Earth is still letting people come to Babylon
  259. 5 as tourists?</em><br>
  260. It's difficult and limited, but yes, there's still some travel,
  261. just as one may travel to countries that the US does not recognize
  262. officially or have diplomatic relations with. How long they continue
  263. to allow this...we'll see.
  264. <p>
  265. <li>@@@846747781 <em>How did Marcus heal so quickly?</em><br>
  266. For starters, we're talking about more than two
  267. weeks of story time. Between Grey 17 and Rock was several weeks, then
  268. you've got about 2 weeks from Rock to Shadow Dancing. That's five
  269. weeks, and now you've got the issue of medicine 250 years from now...and
  270. you can be sure that these kinds of injuries will be fixed much more
  271. quickly. It isn't like he showed up the very next day like this, we
  272. *did* allow for proper amounts of time.
  273. <p>
  274. <li>@@@847068834 <em>How did you think up the Shadows' strategy?</em><br>
  275. I dunno...I just thunk it up as efficient and ruthless. I
  276. guess it comes naturally when you're a producer.
  277. <p>
  278. <li>@@@846747495 "Seems to me the strategy is: wait in hyperspace "near"
  279. the flock of refugee ships, and when they signal for help (as they will
  280. when the Shadow fleet appears), pop out of hyperspace and engage the
  281. Shadow fleet. The point is, the Shadow fleet is going after a known
  282. target (or so Sheridan guesses), if you hang around near the target,
  283. they will tell you when the attackers appear. No need to for your
  284. ships, even a scout, to sit in normal space, the refugee ships are all
  285. "scout ships" in a sense."
  286. <p>
  287. Massive logic problem. If you wait until they're right on top
  288. of the refugee ships, or very near, they'll just dive into the midst of
  289. the refugee ships and there's no way you can have a clean battle
  290. without resulting in *MASSIVE* amounts of civilian casualties. What
  291. you suggest would all but insure that the refugee ships would be
  292. destroyed (defeating the purpose of the mission) and the piles of
  293. civilian ships running for cover in every direction would hinder our
  294. side, but not the other side, and we'd lose even MORE of our own ships.
  295. <p>
  296. "2) Delenn and Sheridan spend the night together and we get to
  297. watch... comercials. Talk about giving "short shrift" to a rather
  298. interesting event. Couldn't this have been pushed into a different
  299. episode? I mean, here they are, alone together, in a "ostensibly"
  300. romantic situation, lots for them to talk about I should think. Well,
  301. I'd like to know what was said... And what do we see? Sheridan is
  302. already asleep!"
  303. <p>
  304. It's not a matter of being pressed for time. The whole point of
  305. the ritual was to watch him sleeping. We had that nice moment right
  306. before they took off with the fleet, and bunches of others, including
  307. the big kiss, right in the previous episode and throughout the whole
  308. thing.
  309. <p>
  310. "3) I think the battle could have been done with a bit more of
  311. an "umph" to it. Perhaps the use of intercutting between the two plots
  312. was distracting in this case. It was a good battle, just not quite as
  313. effective as "Severed Dreams" or "Long Twilight Struggle" (which did
  314. have effective intercutting)."
  315. <p>
  316. That's because there was more emotional content to the other two
  317. battles you mention; the bombing of the Narn homeworld, and EA fighting
  318. EA in SD. Not all battles are created equal, it's a matter of context.
  319. You can't expect to get exactly the same reaction to all of them.
  320. <p>
  321. <li>@@@864690006 <em>Why didn't the Shadows emerge right next to their
  322. targets?</em><br>
  323. So they could drive any other ships toward the center, into the
  324. killing zone. If they come in into the center, everybody splits in
  325. every possible direction, and that makes running 'em all down harder.
  326. <p>
  327. <li>@@@864690006 If the shadows were to materialize in the midst of the
  328. refugee ships, they'd just scatter in every direction. The purpose is
  329. to wipe out all those ships quickly and efficiently...so you start at
  330. the outer fringe, drive everyone inward, and then wipe them all out.
  331. To jump into the middle of them makes it very hard to do this...it's
  332. like herding kittens.
  333. <p>
  334. <li>@@@864690006 Most refugee ships are NOT jump capable.
  335. Remember, it takes a LOT of power...you've got the heavy cruisers, and
  336. long range exploratory vessels, and not much else. That's what makes
  337. the White Star so special, that it can be as small as it is and still
  338. generate a jump point. The Asimov class passenger liners, for instance,
  339. can't jump, and have to rely on gates. The smaller ships the refugees
  340. would've been using would have had to get to their local gate, and then
  341. line up to go through it in small groups. Which means 85% of them
  342. would've been trapped there, ducks in a shooting gallery.
  343. <p>
  344. <li>@@@847069906 <em>Did the Minbari telepaths need line of sight to
  345. affect the Shadow ships?</em><br>
  346. Actually, we never showed what the Minbari telepaths were
  347. looking at; for all you could tell, there could've been viewers or
  348. other ports above their beds.
  349. <p>
  350. <li>@@@864690006 <em>We couldn't hear the characters speak at the end of
  351. the battle. Audio problem?</em><br>
  352. No, we just figured we'd let the music take it.
  353. <p>
  354. <li>@@@846747653 "When I saw "A Late Arrival at Avalon," Marcus's line
  355. asking "Who is Morgana La Fey" got me to begin speculating that Anna
  356. Sheridan was alive and that she was working for the Shadows. My
  357. question is whether or not Marcus's line was intended that way--i.e. as
  358. foreshadowing that a significant female figure not presently on the
  359. scene (Anna?) would arrive at B5 to play Morgana to Delenn's Lady of
  360. the Lake?"
  361. <p>
  362. yup.
  363. <p>
  364. <li> No, Sheridan isn't the man in the middle...the man in the middle is the
  365. one out there who sent Anna. As Ivanova says, his opposite number.
  366. <p>
  367. <li>@@@864690006 <em>Why did Kosh send those dream images?</em><br>
  368. Well, certainly Kosh was accessing that which he could, in part
  369. to prove he knew what he knew, in part to set things up. Although who
  370. knows, there may be more to it...that that's what they came up with
  371. doesn't necessarily mean that is the full extent of it.
  372. <p>
  373. <li> The snow globe was shown as a flash-forward in "WWE-2," and we
  374. did see that image of Sheridan in Psi Cop uniform in "All Alone."
  375. <p>
  376. <li> With "Shadow" my hope is really to erase most (though obviously
  377. not all) suspicions or predictions on how the last one will go. If we
  378. already had our big EFX battle, it won't be that...Anna's here, so it
  379. can't be that...it can't ever be a return to tabula rasa, an empty
  380. slate, but by doing what's normally done in the season closer one
  381. episode prior to that, it may help ease the way for a different
  382. tonality to come in.
  383. <p>
  384. And thanks again...you definitely won't be disappointed.
  385. <p>
  386. <li> <em>Was "Commander Ivanova is on channel 4" a reference to the UK
  387. network? And what could possibly come next?</em><br>
  388. Yeah, the channel 4 reference was a nod to the UK. Wondered if
  389. it'd get noticed....
  390. <p>
  391. Good point, when you do a battle like that...what do you do next that
  392. won't seem anticlimatic? Usually you save something like that for your
  393. last episode of the season, not your next-to-last, or you've blown your
  394. big EFX show 1 show early. It makes for a real challenge...what do you
  395. do to follow THAT up?
  396. <p>
  397. I think we figured it out....
  398. <p>
  399. <li> <em>Why not show more of Sheridan getting ready to sleep, with Delenn
  400. watching over him?</em><br>
  401. Basically...we've got 44 or so minutes...we could've shown the whole
  402. battle as shown, or shown Sheridan trying to sleep. One would have to
  403. go to make room to include the other.
  404. <p>
  405. <li> <em>Why did the White Star make its own jump point when there was
  406. a jumpgate nearby?</em><br>
  407. And then, there are just times you do it 'cause it feels more dramatic
  408. that way....
  409. <p>
  410. <li> <em>Do people on Earth hear about events like this battle?</em><br>
  411. They've heard rumors, usually the ones furthest away from Clark's
  412. confining influence....
  413. <p>
  414. <li> <em>Why the change in actresses playing Anna?</em><br>
  415. There was a combination of reasons, including production schedules,
  416. for the decision.
  417. <p>
  418. <li> <em>Why were station personnel seemingly surprised to see Anna? And
  419. why did Melissa Gilbert come last in the list of guest stars?</em><br>
  420. The script said the extras shouldn't make a big deal about seeing her.
  421. The director did that on the set. That's not what I had in mind, but it
  422. isn't that big a deal...I figure she's a striking looking woman, maybe
  423. that's a good justification.
  424. <p>
  425. The ordering of credits was done to de-emphasize and hide (as much as
  426. possible) the appearance of Melissa.
  427. <p>
  428. <li> Under SAG rules, you must put guest stars of a certain calibre in the
  429. opening credits; also, for Melissa to take back-billing would have been
  430. a break in her work to date elsewhere. We had no choice in this, it's
  431. all stuff regulated by the guilds.
  432. <p>
  433. <li> <em>Were the Vorlons absent from the battle because of the death of
  434. Kosh, or for some other reason?</em><br>
  435. There are other reasons, which yes, will be addressed soon....
  436. <p>
  437. <li>@@@844797198 <em>Why didn't they call in the Walkers from Sigma 957
  438. (<a href="049.html">"Voices of Authority?"</a>)</em><br>
  439. Simple....you don't bring in the big guns like that until you're ready
  440. for the final assault. You don't whistle 'em up when convenient. You
  441. can probably go to the well just once with these guys, and you want to
  442. do so only when you're ready for D-Day.
  443. <p>
  444. <li>@@@844393815 <em>Was the bit about true faces taken from an existing
  445. religion on Earth?</em><br>
  446. As far as I *know*, at least, that bit about seeing your true
  447. face revealed as you sleep is something I came up with on my own.
  448. There's just something I like about it, and if you've ever watched
  449. someone's face while they're sleeping, you understand.
  450. <p>
  451. Though one person did comment, "So a man's true face is all
  452. mushed up against the pillow and drooling?"
  453. <p>
  454. We don't talk anymore.
  455. <p>
  456. <li>@@@846747092 "I gritted my teeth tighter when the dialogue launched
  457. into some anti-male paranoia about "What if the male demands the
  458. female stay a second night?", and the various "vengeances" she could
  459. take for a custom that is, after all, steeply in her favor. I could
  460. accept all that in an anthropological sense: "Look what anti-male
  461. customs the Minbari have. Isn't that fascinating, if you put the moral
  462. judgements aside?". But then... Yeesh!"
  463. <p>
  464. The "vengeances" she cites, should the male insist she stay another
  465. night, are "she can leave once he falls asleep, complain to the
  466. elders, even cut off his access to her family." These hardly sound
  467. like anti-male rhetoric, but rather precautions taken to deal
  468. reasonably *should* someone get out of line. It doesn't state that
  469. all men do this, but sets in place what to do should *some* men do
  470. this.
  471. <p>
  472. This is not a problem of context. It is a problem of perception. It
  473. has nothing to do with the scene, and everything to do with how you
  474. perceive the role of males in society.
  475. </ul>