The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5
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  4. _Contents:_ [9]Overview - [10]Backplot - [11]Questions - [12]Analysis
  5. - [13]Notes - [14]JMS
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  7. Overview
  8. Delenn agrees to lead the Rangers, but Marcus must protect her from
  9. a deadly threat. Garibaldi investigates a secret level of the
  10. station. [15]Robert Englund as Jeremiah. [16]John Vickery as
  11. Neroon. [17]Time Winters as Rathenn.
  12. [18]P5 Rating: [19]6.93
  13. Production number: 319
  14. Original air week: September 10, 1996 (UK)
  15. October 7, 1996 (US)
  16. Written by J. Michael Straczynski
  17. Directed by John Flinn III
  18. _________________________________________________________________
  19. Backplot
  20. * The forces of light are now actively recruiting telepaths, but
  21. it's been a slow process.
  22. * Garibaldi's grandmother was a police officer in Boston. (First
  23. mentioned in [20]"By Any Means Necessary.")
  24. * Valen originally set up the Rangers 1000 years ago, under the
  25. control of the Warrior Caste, but they have been inactive until
  26. recently.
  27. * Grey Sector in B5 is mainly comprised of industrial units.
  28. * No Minbari has killed another Minbari in 1000 years.
  29. * Delenn's father died ("passed beyond the veil") 10 years ago
  30. because he was heartbroken about the Earth-Minbari war. Delenn's
  31. mother entered the Sisters of Valeria.
  32. * The security forces on B5 use PPGs rather than bullets because
  33. bullets run the risk of puncturing the station's hull.
  34. Unanswered Questions
  35. * What will be the limits of Ivanova's promise to Franklin?
  36. * How will being chosen as leader of the Rangers change Delenn?
  37. * Is Neroon right in suggesting Delenn is taking over control of
  38. Minbar?
  39. * Who or what was responsible for an entire level of Grey sector
  40. being lost from the view of the B5 residents?
  41. * What will happen to Grey 17 and the people there?
  42. * What will the future relationship be between the Warrior Caste and
  43. the Rangers?
  44. * Was Kosh present at the ceremony? If not, why not?
  45. Analysis
  46. * Tension among the Minbari castes is increasing. Some members of
  47. the warrior caste think Delenn is a religious zealot who is trying
  48. to grab hold of military and political power. The warrior caste is
  49. unhappy about the religious caste building warships without
  50. telling them; believes the Rangers should be commanded by one of
  51. them, now that Sinclair has left; and is unhappy about non-Minbari
  52. being trained with Minbari in the Rangers. However, Neroon's
  53. experience with Marcus may change some of these perceptions.
  54. * Delenn's mother joined the Sisters of Valeria. Valeria is also the
  55. being that Minbari who were present at Kosh's appearance in the
  56. garden ([21]"The Fall of Night") claimed to have seen. Is this
  57. just a coincidence, or is there a deeper relationship?
  58. * Jeremiah's group must have contained some highly skilled computer
  59. hackers. Getting the lifts to pass by their level would be the
  60. least of their troubles; since the station spins to simulate
  61. gravity, lower levels have greater apparent gravity. Everyone
  62. below their level would be expecting slightly lower gravity than
  63. they'd actually experience. Perhaps the difference would be too
  64. slight to alert people in a residential sector, but presumably
  65. industrial operations would be affected if gravity was off by a
  66. few percent.
  67. * Jeremiah clearly knew about Minbari religion, given the similarity
  68. of his view of the universe and Delenn's ([22]"Passing Through
  69. Gethsemane.") Yet in that episode, Brother Edward clearly hadn't
  70. learned about Minbari beliefs, implying that the Minbari aren't
  71. generally open or forthcoming about them. How did Jeremiah learn
  72. about Minbari religion?
  73. * Garibaldi's makeshift gun couldn't have worked as shown. Even if
  74. the steam were enough to detonate the gunpowder in one of the
  75. bullets, the first one to go off would almost certainly have been
  76. the one closest to the back of the pipe, where the heat was
  77. greatest; all the bullets would have been propelled out the pipe
  78. at once, and probably at low speed.
  79. * Franklin's backup file on the underground railroad is code-named
  80. "Harriet." This is probably a reference to Harriet Tubman, an
  81. escaped slave who was instrumental in running the original
  82. underground railroad in the United States.
  83. Notes
  84. * Sinclair's belongings include a medal for fighting on the Battle
  85. of the Line, his identicard, an Earthforce ensignia, and the
  86. Ranger brooch.
  87. * When Garibaldi falls unconscious, the surrounding rubble includes,
  88. among other things, a newspaper with the headline "Santiago
  89. Elected." That may indicate the amount of time the cult spent
  90. sequestered in Grey 17; Santiago's re-election took place three
  91. years earlier ([23]"Midnight on the Firing Line.") It's unlikely
  92. the paper dates from Santiago's original election; unless his
  93. previous term was less than a few years, the previous election
  94. would have happened long before Babylon 5 was constructed,
  95. possibly even before Babylon 4 vanished in 2254.
  96. jms speaks
  97. * Garibaldi has a big role in "Grey 17 Is Missing."
  98. * Lennier will be getting some more screen time shortly, in the next
  99. batch of episodes. (There's some very nice stuff with him and both
  100. Delenn and Marcus in "Grey 17 Is Missing.")
  101. * You'll hear about Delenn's parents in "Grey 17 Is Missing."
  102. * The Jeremiah thread was one of those things that looks great on
  103. paper, but when you get it into a camera...I dunno, it's one of
  104. those weirdnesses that happens in television. Sometimes you've got
  105. what you think is an average script and it just roars to life
  106. on-camera, and something that looks great on paper, but in real
  107. life...ehh...I'm happy with all the other stuff in the episode,
  108. but the Jeremiah thread didn't come off as it should've.
  109. I think in part it's also my fault, in that my brain was gearing
  110. up for the stuff that begins ramping up starting with the next
  111. episode, and the Grey 17 thing was something I'd wanted to do for
  112. a long time, and there wasn't going to be a chance to do it down
  113. the road, if at all, after this season, so I went for it. As for
  114. the Zarg, that's also one of those things that didn't come off
  115. visually as I'd wanted. So overall, I'd agree...of all the season
  116. 3 eps, this one is probably the least effective of them all. But
  117. one in a season, that ain't too bad....
  118. * _Why did you write all the episodes this season?_
  119. "Was there some incident that we don't know about? It seems to me
  120. that there must have been. "
  121. Nope. No incident. The situation with year 3 was that *so much*
  122. was being paid off, and set up, and foreshadowed, and required
  123. such intimate knowledge of where the show was going, and where
  124. it'd been, that it made it nearly impossible to bring in any
  125. outside writers.
  126. There has never been any series in television history where every
  127. episode was utterly beyond criticism. Some are better, some are
  128. worse, some are average. There are many Twilight Zones by Rod
  129. Serling that are utterly brilliant. And some that just fall flat.
  130. That's the nature of the beast. Sometimes something will look
  131. great on the page, and fall flat on the stage. (And sometimes it
  132. happens in reverse; you think you've got something that won't
  133. work, and somehow the filmed version just takes off.) There's a
  134. lot about Walkabout I like; and there's some stuff that just
  135. didn't work out. You try something different here and there, and
  136. sometimes it works, and sometimes it don't. TV, or any form of
  137. writing, is the constant process of trial and error. It's not like
  138. one day you forget how to write, or you're writing bad...you very
  139. rarely fall below a certain facility once you reach it.
  140. There's not a writer alive who has turned out nothing but terrific
  141. stuff. Now, one could turn out a lifetime of mediocre stuff, by
  142. not trying...but I think it's better to shoot high, and sometimes
  143. fall, knowing that you'll get something great one out of every
  144. five tries, than not try at all and just do okay.
  145. "Grey 17" is the same thing, for me. There are bits in that I like
  146. a lot. And some parts of it just fell down dreadfully. That's
  147. simply the nature of the beast. I thought I'd try something
  148. different in the tone of "Grey" and while most of the writing
  149. works (mostly), the production fell down on a couple of aspects.
  150. It happens. It doesn't mean anything.
  151. On the other hand, the following 3, "Rock," "Shadow" and
  152. "Z'ha'dum" are some of the best stuff we've done. The preliminary
  153. P5 survey has "Z'ha'dum" as the best episode of the entire series
  154. to date. Did I suddenly learn to write better? If there were a
  155. problem with being tired, then by all rights you should see a
  156. descending order in quality. But these last 3 are some of our best
  157. work.
  158. The real key here is something I heard someone say a while back
  159. about TV: a flaw, or a flop, or a misstep happens by accident as
  160. often as by inability; but real quality is never an accident. So
  161. the latter is more indicative of the level of the show than the
  162. former, since accidents or missteps *always* happen.
  163. "Walkabout," for me, is a good episode with a very few clunky
  164. parts; for me, it's a middle of the road episode. "Grey" falls a
  165. bit short of that, for me. But then, I'm very hard on my shows; a
  166. lot of folks have liked "Walkabout" a *lot*. I didn't much like
  167. "Infection," but many did; and some shows I love dearly, like
  168. "Geometry," don't catch on. It's subjective. And where you say the
  169. battle falls short, others like it...so on one level, I'd caution
  170. against applying your standard as an objective one that is somehow
  171. more true than another, and thus asking "what's wrong with *you*
  172. that I had this opinion?" If everyone on the planet shares that
  173. opinion, then you've got something. Otherwise....
  174. And there are always some people who don't want the character
  175. stuff at all, they want battles...and some for whom the CGI is of
  176. secondary interest to the plot...and those who want arc stories
  177. *only*...and those who like the stand-alones. Some of it is a
  178. function of what you want.
  179. Anyway...point being, and I went around the barn a few times to
  180. get there, no, there's no "incident" and I don't even know what
  181. this could refer to. Some episodes work better for some people
  182. than others. That will happen whether you've got 1 person or 50
  183. people writing scripts. I caught a lot of *very* negative comments
  184. on Peter David's script, which you cite (as well as many positive
  185. ones). The Brits in particular seem to uniformly dislike that one.
  186. And in the P5 surveys, the freelance scripts are *all* in the
  187. bottom third of the rankings. So it's really not a question of
  188. freelancers or no, it's just that TV is variable, as is any kind
  189. of writing. Not every episode is going to work for you. Nor should
  190. you expect it to. I'm very much an X-Files fan...but there are
  191. some scripts that work better for me than others. Doesn't mean
  192. anything other than that show didn't quite jell for me. That's the
  193. nature of TV.
  194. I'm sure somebody will cite this as being defensive about it, but
  195. honest and true, I'm not. I'm just trying to explain it from this
  196. end of things. My prior exec producer said, "You're doing *real*
  197. good if, in a season, you've got one-third that are pretty good,
  198. one-third that are okay, and one-third you never want to see again
  199. the rest of your natural life." I think we do a heck of a lot
  200. better than that, and that's a heck of an accomplishment.
  201. * I think it's about 3/4ths of a good episode. Where it falls down,
  202. for me, is the Zarg...I just have this constant desire to go to
  203. everyone's house and personally apologize....
  204. * _How did they sneak the Zarg onto the station?_
  205. There was a line about slipping the egg into the station...don't
  206. remember now if it made it through the edit or not.
  207. * Entil-Zha, whoever that is at the time, is for all intents and
  208. purposes the One for the Rangers.
  209. * _Does Neroon's revelation at the end of the episode mean that the
  210. warrior caste is now more willing to fight beside the religious
  211. caste?_
  212. I think he's closer to an understanding, but we'll see if the
  213. others all feel the same way.
  214. * _Why did Sinclair/Valen leave the warrior caste in charge of the
  215. Rangers, if they aren't involved in the war?_
  216. Because *at the time* the Warrior Caste *was* involved, and it
  217. would've been a slap to them to do so.
  218. * _Do Minbari beliefs have some bearing on the true nature of the B5
  219. storyline?_
  220. It has some bearing, in a way, but more in a thematic than literal
  221. sense.
  222. * _Was Delenn's visit to the city as a child deeply important, since
  223. she only saw her mother twice?_
  224. You're right that it was a big deal to them, but it doesn't really
  225. center in the story much, so I don't know if it'll ever be
  226. explored. It's just background detail at this point.
  227. * _What happened to Delenn's father?_
  228. He croaked.
  229. * _Were the people in Grey 17 there by choice?_
  230. Depends on your definition, but basically, they were there as part
  231. of this cult...but any good cult leader knows you should make it
  232. just a *bit* hard for them to get out.
  233. * It's Harriet for Harriet Tubman, who ran the slave underground
  234. railroad around the time of the Civil War.
  235. And no matter how much Ivanvoa trains, she'll never be much past a
  236. P1, and that's more or less useless to them.
  237. * _So her ability is never going to factor into the story?_
  238. Only if one assumes everything applies only to the Shadow war.
  239. Originally compiled by Jason Snell.
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