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- _Contents:_ [9]Overview - [10]Backplot - [11]Questions - [12]Analysis
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- Overview
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- As Sheridan and Ivanova try to gain recognition of the station's
- new status among the alien governments, a traveler arrives with an
- unbelievable story out of distant legend. [15]Michael York.
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- [16]P5 Rating: [17]7.79
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- Production number: 312
- Original air week: April 22, 1996
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- Written by J. Michael Straczynski
- Directed by Mike Vejar
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- Backplot
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- * G'Kar has been using a human courier to get messages back and
- forth between the station's Narn and the homeworld.
- * The first Earth vessel to encounter a Minbari warship was the
- Prometheus. As the Minbari ship approached with gun ports open, a
- sign of respect ([18]"Legacies") the Prometheus' captain ordered
- its crew to open fire. The resulting battle destroyed two Minbari
- warships and killed the leader of the Grey Council, Dukhat.
- * 20,000 people were sent to defend Earth in the Battle of the Line.
- Only 200 survived. (Presumably the bulk of the 20,000 were aboard
- large ships, not individual fighters.)
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- Unanswered Questions
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- * Given how badly outmatched humans were during the war, how did the
- Prometheus manage to inflict so much damage? Simply a matter of
- the element of surprise?
- * How much truth is there in Marcus' joking speculation about the
- Vorlons? Or in his drawing of parallels between the B5 crew and
- Arthurian legend? (If there's a lot of truth there, then who _is_
- the Morgana Le Fay figure?)
- * What is the "dawn of a new age" Marcus referred to when he told
- Franklin about the Ranger pin? Any relation to the Third Age of
- Mankind as mentioned in the opening monologues of seasons one and
- two?
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- Analysis
-
- * Relying on a large number of races for the station's defense may
- turn out to be a logistical nightmare. Ivanova will have to deal
- with questions like the structure of the chain of command (does
- she have the authority to order a Vree ship to fire?) and what to
- do about races who've agreed to participate but whose enemies
- haven't, which could lead to a situation like the one in [19]"The
- Fall of Night." Still, as a simple show of force and a deterrent,
- the arrangement may well end up being sufficient.
- * How did Marcus know about the events in [20]"Comes the
- Inquisitor?" He arrived on the station after that was all over.
- Perhaps Sheridan or Delenn told him. Is the fact that the Vorlons
- have visited Earth in the past now common knowledge?
- * The Prometheus didn't destroy all the Minbari ships, since Delenn
- held Dukhat in her arms as he died ([21]"Severed Dreams.")
- * At what point did the Soul Hunter ([22]"Soul Hunter") show up
- during the battle between the Prometheus and the Minbari ships?
- From Arthur's description, it sounded like the battle didn't last
- long; the Soul Hunter would almost have had to be onboard Dukhat's
- ship before the fighting began.
- * The Drazi ambassador now speaks for the League of Non-Aligned
- Worlds, whose membership seems to have gotten much smaller than a
- year ago. Perhaps many of the races have been taken over by their
- neighbors already, with Shadow help ([23]"Severed Dreams.")
- * Arthur's line about returning "because I am most needed here and
- now" is analogous to Sebastian's description of Delenn and
- Sheridan as "the right people in the right place at the right
- time" ([24]"Comes the Inquisitor.")
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- Notes
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- * For more information about Arthurian legend, see [25]Avalon:
- Arthurian Heaven. For more detail, see [26]Bulfinch's Mythology.
- * It should be noted that Arthurian legend is exactly that: legend.
- While there are historical figures who match bits and pieces of
- the legend, there almost certainly was never an actual King
- Arthur.
- * The Minbari name for the Ranger pin is Isil'zha.
- * Prometheus is a figure from Greek mythology, a Titan who gave fire
- to mankind. For more information see [27]The Creation of Man by
- Prometheus.
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- jms speaks
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- * Michael York is currently shooting with us in "A Late Delivery
- From Avalon," and doing an amazing job. This may turn into one of
- our best episodes, from a performance and emotion perspective. I
- had a few doubts about the script -- it has a kind of writing
- style I don't use very often, and very stylized in appearance --
- but it's coming out great.
- * York finished with us quite some time ago. Great episode, and a
- nice man. Very friendly, very polite, nothing of the "I'm a STAR"
- attitude one often gets with...well, *stars*. He was even very
- nice when I gleepily asked him to sign my laserdisk of CABARET.
- * York's a major film actor who's starred in many films, including
- one of my personal favorites, "Cabaret." Also in the "Logan's Run"
- movie.
- * If you've got someone new to the show, who might not know the
- backstory very well, then probably the Michael York episode, "A
- Late Delivery From Avalon" would be a good one.
- * I *really* like this episode a lot. The performance, the music,
- everything works; I tried to get a little artsy, try out some
- different kinds of stuff, stretch some muscles I haven't used
- enough, and it came out very nicely. It's just nifty.
- * I like this one a lot. Not really an arc episode, except in going
- into some backstory elements, but just nicely done. I'm quite
- proud of this one.
- * The Delenn/Arthur moment played out very well; no lines, not a
- word, just the images, and the emotions under the surface.
- * I'll say one thing about one of those eps, but I won't say which
- one; when people hear what it appears to be about, the immediate
- reaction is going to be "Oh, god, they're not doing THAT are
- they?" and there'll be a lot of sarcasm and head shaking...until
- the episode airs, and folks see that what it's about...is *not*
- what it's about...and I think it'll be a very popular episode
- thereafter.
- * _About the title_
- I often labor a long time on these things, to try and give them
- many layers, or turn the title in on itself, or do a play on
- words. I can't start work on a script until I have a title,
- because the title sets the mood.
- * _Did Arthurian legends influence the heroic-epic style of B5's
- storyline?_
- Well, if you're going to look at heroic epic, sure, the Arthurian
- story is a classic...but the earliest and best of these remain the
- Illiad and the Odyssey. Homer was definitely hitting all cylinders
- with that.
- If there's an aspect that informed B5's development, it's the arc
- of that heroic epic, which if you look at it dispassionately, is
- as much about the people *around* the hero as the hero himself.
- And all too often, the hero achieves the goal, but falls or
- falters or is changed by the end of it. Much of what passes for
- contemporary "heroic epic" assumes that it means the Good Guys
- Win. Heroic here as a term goes back to its much earlier origins,
- a "heroic effort" is something that takes everything you have,
- against terrible or impossible odds.
- Yes, you achieve the goal...but you fall in battle in the fields
- of Troy. Yes, you create Camelot, but in the end you are destroyed
- and Camelot falls. There's tragedy and mistakes side by side with
- the glory and the gains. The accounts of Arthur's meeting with
- Mordred at Camlan field, and how the final battle began is classic
- ironic drama, a tragedy of great proportions...and an aspect of
- that fed directly into the development of the B5 backstory, as
- you'll learn later this season.
- Histories are written about the soldiers who won their battles;
- but songs are sung about the soldiers who fell in battle
- struggling for a greater cause. What inspires us is the unfinished
- work, the dream of picking up the fallen standard and taking it
- ten more feet up the hill, knowing that even if you fall, the next
- man in line will take it another ten feet, until finally the hill
- is taken. Humans are constantly throwing their lives away on
- causes logic tells us are hopeless...but which in time become real
- for that reason.
- It's a dangerous romance with myth, heroism, and death. On the one
- hand, it inspires an Arthur...on another, it inspires a car bomber
- to blow himself and 27 bystanders to bits en route to an
- appointment with Allah.
- What makes the heroic epic work is that it taps into all the myths
- and archetypes that have been with us for all of recorded history,
- and much of its oral history. Where B5 gets into this area is in
- trying to look at the kinds of myths and epics that have gone
- before, and finding not the specifics, but the themes which are
- universal, the *sense* and the feel of it, which are intangible,
- and which is what makes doing an epic so hard. Either you feel the
- structure, or you don't; if you try to hammer it down into a
- formula, a step-by-step process, it turns to quicksilver in your
- hands and slips away. You have to take it all in, then listen to
- the inner voice and write accordingly.
- I remember a stanza from a poem I read a long time ago; "Love will
- die if held too tightly; love will fly if held too lightly;
- lightly, tightly, how do I know, whether I'm holding or letting
- love go?" This kind of fiction operates on the same basis.
- Substitute the word epic or story for love, and the logic holds.
- So the epic hero or story can't be a *model*, to use your phrase;
- it can only be an inspiration for what has gone before...an echo
- in the back of your mind that whispers and guides you through all
- the dark places.
- * _Was the "who is Morgana Le Fay?" scene a dig at people on the net
- who say B5 is just some other story with different trappings?_
- The references given (he said vaguely, to avoid spoiling anybody)
- were first and foremost intentional to the story and to set up
- stuff...but as I wrote it, the way this stuff has been discussed
- online did come to mind, and on some level it was probably a
- slight *plink*, yes.
- Sort of a "yeah, well, TWO can play at that game, and most of you
- missed THIS particular analogy, so THERE."
- I am in serious need of a vacation, I think....
- * _Where did the 515 date for the Battle of Camlan come from?_
- I dug through a number of recent Arthurian texts, and that date
- come out the most often; I've heard the other date, which was
- about 20 years later, but the one most often used is the 515 date,
- at least in what I researched.
- * Virtually all food used is real, for health reasons. The liquid
- drunk by G'Kar and Arthur in "Avalon" is Yoo-Hoo; the mountain of
- stuff Garibaldi's eating in the Zocalo in first season is piled
- meatloaf; the spaghetti and bagna cauda was real; the only problem
- is that no matter what you do, it's going to get cold after 18
- takes, even with reheating, and by the 17th take...well, it's an
- ugly sight.
- * _Was the Excalibur in the episode a real sword?_
- Yes, it's a real sword...I'm trying to remember where we got it,
- it may have been a vendor in these things, one of many that
- frequent catalogs and Ren faires.
- * _What happened to it after Delenn took it?_
- It went back to our prop department....
- * You were being clear, I was just being puckish.
- Well, in theory.
- I actually haven't worked out what she did with the sword, or who
- has it now. I have several options on this, all of them
- interesting, and never made the final decision. Maybe they used it
- to make the new emblem. Lemme dwell on this.
- * _Was that the real Excalibur?_
- Since that wasn't really Arthur, the odds of that really being
- Excalibur are substantially reduced.
- * _Was some of the music by Clannad?_
- No, we can't use any outside music; it all has to be done via our
- composer (unless we purchase the rights, obviously). Here, though,
- it's all Chris. We had a long conversation about the kind of music
- I wanted, I encouraged him to think in terms of Celtic music,
- natural instruments primarily instead of synth or electronic
- instruments, that sort of thing. But no, no Claanad was used.
- * I think Chris did a great job on this one (he's done some
- spectacular work overall this season, on Severed, Interludes, Ship
- and others later this season). What I'd told him in this case I
- wanted was as much as possible in the way of natural instruments
- as opposed to synth, so that it fit more with the feel of the
- episode.
- * _How is the station supporting itself now that it's seceded?_
- We'll establish in coming episodes that they have to become more
- self sufficient; the Minbari will help some, others will also have
- a reason to help support the station for the advantages it gives
- them, the services it provides, and eventually docking fees will
- have to rise if they can make a go of it.
- * Marcus and Franklin make a good team, it's a nice balance. And
- Marcus did fit in well with the whole Arthur storyline (it's kind
- of an obvious but well-fitting match).
- As for Marcus' line...sometimes offhand remarks are only offhand
- remarks...and sometimes they aint....
- * Because we've played back and forth with this stuff before, a la
- the Inquisitor, it *could've* been him, which made it all the more
- interesting. Certainly Marcus *wanted* it to be him....
- * _What was Delenn told before she went to Medlab?_
- She was told the whole background...including who David really
- was. She was in a way taking the pain from someone who had
- attacked the very ship she and the other Grey council members had
- been aboard.
- * _Is there anyone among the humans from whom Delenn could receive
- absolution?_
- You're right, that's a good question.
- * The ability to forgive is certainly one of the foremost principles
- of sentient life, even Draal would agree with that.
- * The Earth/Minbari war ended in 2247, and there were several ships
- in the initial contact convoy, the Amundsen and the Prometheus.
- * You basically had two large convoys meeting one another. Two
- Minbari ships were hit and destroyed, a third damaged badly; this
- was the one carrying Dukhat and the Grey Council, including
- Delenn.
- Just for the record, what happened after that...the Minbari ships
- opened fire, and a number of the Earth ships were fragged. The
- rest fled as the Minbari ships hesitated, waiting to see what
- happened to Dukhat. When it was learned that he was killed, they
- took off and pursued the ships back to an Earth base. Initially,
- one of the Earth captains explained that they had encountered
- hostiles (trying to cover his ass), and when the Minbari ships
- appeared, all hell broke loose.
- It was shortly after this "cowardly attack" on their ships, and
- the assassination of their leader, that the Minbari declared what
- is in essence a jihad, a holy war, against Earth. The worker class
- went along with it, even though the religious caste was
- unsure...but divided, they couldn't raise sufficient objections to
- the war to stop it initially.
- * The contact was made late in the year, and while that was the
- first blow, it takes a while for any war to really get going; you
- aren't at war instantly. The Minbari had to pull their forces
- together, make the open declaration of war, establish supply lines
- and all the other elements needed for warfare.
- * _Open gun ports as a sign of respect?_
- It goes back a long time...if you look at certain members of the
- animal kingdom, they will often flash their teeth or growl to
- establish their identity, to show equality with someone else. You
- have to step outside a human perspective and ask how an alien
- would show respect, which may not be how we would logically do so.
- (Heck, in many cultures here on earth, a perfectly normal habit --
- crossing your legs and the bottom of your foot showing -- is taken
- as a grave insult in some cultures. Certain customs are deeply
- rooted in cultural backgrounds or incidents that are often
- incomprehensible to us.)
- * "Different (alien) doesn't mean illogical in my book."
- I can think of a number of Zen schools of thought that you would
- consider vastly illogical...but quite human. There are many things
- we would consider illogical to a western mind that are perfectly
- reasonable elsewhere.
- * "However, neither is it appropriate to view all alien behavior as
- acceptable just because it is different....."
- Never implied it was. In general, on the B5 station, though, if an
- alien acts toward one of its own kind in a cultural oddity (to
- us), we tend not to interfere unless so requested; if, however, an
- alien turns that cultural oddity toward one not of its own
- species, then the B5 staff would definitely intervene.
- * There's a small clue about the third age in the discussion between
- Marcus and Franklin about the ranger pin. I mean, it's really
- pretty blatant.
- * The name of the Ranger pin is spelled Isil'zha.
- The Minbari term for Ranger One, btw, is Entil'zha.
- Z'ha'dum is where the shadows live. Odd, that reversal....
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