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  4. _Contents:_ [9]Overview - [10]Backplot - [11]Questions - [12]Analysis
  5. - [13]Notes - [14]JMS
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  7. Overview
  8. As the Centauri war escalates, a Narn warcruiser seeks help from
  9. Babylon 5. Earth takes a position in the war. Keffer makes a
  10. terrifying discovery. Kosh takes a drastic step to save a life.
  11. [15]Roy Dotrice as Frederick Lantze. [16]John Vickery as Mr.
  12. Welles. [17]Rick Hamilton as Mitch. [18]Robin Sachs as Na'Kal.
  13. [19]P5 Rating: [20]9.40
  14. Production number: 222
  15. Original air date: August 15, 1995 (UK)
  16. November 1, 1995 (US)
  17. Written by J. Michael Straczynski
  18. Directed by Janet Greek
  19. _Think twice before reading what's below if you haven't seen the
  20. episode -- major spoilers follow!_
  21. _________________________________________________________________
  22. Backplot
  23. * The Ministry of Peace has been recruiting other high-level B5
  24. staff members for its Nightwatch program.
  25. * Vorlons appear as angelic, winged beings of light, whose
  26. appearance is different to each observer. They can fly. (But see
  27. [21]jms speaks)
  28. Unanswered Questions
  29. * Is Keffer mercifully dead, or might he reappear as "worse than
  30. dead" -- a tool of the Shadows a la Morden?
  31. * What will be the ramifications of Zack's turning the shopkeeper in
  32. to the Nightwatch?
  33. * How far will the Centauri expansion push?
  34. * Why did Londo see nothing when he looked at Kosh? (see
  35. [22]Analysis)
  36. * Who was behind the bombing of Sheridan's tram? Who were the young
  37. Centauri taking orders from, if anyone?
  38. * What ramifications will there be to Kosh's appearance, since it
  39. was such a closely kept secret before?
  40. * What will happen to the Narn cruiser?
  41. * What other forces do the Narn have that were not caught by the
  42. Centauri?
  43. * Where did the cruiser go?
  44. * Have the Centauri made any arrangements with the Minbari, or are
  45. they relying on their non-interference in the affairs of other
  46. races?
  47. * Will Sheridan's planned apology be enough to satisfy his superiors
  48. at Earthdome, or is he in danger of losing his position?
  49. * What effect will the open transmission by ISN of Keffer's recorder
  50. log have on the Shadows' plans? Will it force them to show their
  51. hand?
  52. Analysis
  53. * Night has indeed fallen. As the Centauri government continues to
  54. expand by attacking other races like the Drazi and the Pak'ma'ra,
  55. the Earth government has entered into an appeasement pact with
  56. them. Meanwhile, the inward-turning Earth government is using
  57. their "Nightwatch" as a means to silence dissent. However,
  58. Keffer's last flight has made the presence of the Shadows in
  59. hyperspace known to all of Earth, relayed to them via ISN.
  60. * It's interesting that Kosh risks revealing himself to save one
  61. life - the same criterion for saintliness/being the Chosen that
  62. the Inquisitor established (cf. [23]"Comes the Inquisitor.")
  63. * Vir and Lennier are both feeling the pressures of knowing a great
  64. deal about what is going on but not being involved in the planning
  65. and decision making stages. That they have found each other to
  66. talk to is somewhat ironic, since each is working for masters who
  67. have taken opposing sides - Light and Dark - in the coming battle.
  68. * "We will, at last, know peace in our time." This phrase, given by
  69. Lantze when he announces the Earth-Centauri non-aggression pact,
  70. is very similar to a phrase used by Neville Chamberlain after
  71. signing an appeasement agreement with Hitler in 1938 just prior to
  72. the invasion of Czechoslovakia, an agreement that failed to stop
  73. Hitler's expansionist policy. The choice of words is probably
  74. intended to highlight the futility of such a pact with an
  75. aggressive party and a foreshadow of future events. There are
  76. other parallels with Nazi actions (divided between the actions of
  77. _both_ signatories,) but the motivations of the Earth government
  78. are not race related nor moving towards the domination/submission
  79. of other groups.
  80. * NightWatch openly tries to recruit highly placed individuals, not
  81. appearing too concerned if they refuse. This suggests that they
  82. feel confident about circumnavigating these people with a strong
  83. sense of loyalty at a later date, replacing them with a more
  84. easily manipulated individual.
  85. * Had Sheridan refused to apologize publicly and been replaced, it
  86. would have been with Ivanova had she accepted Welles offer to work
  87. with the NightWatch. Otherwise they would have brought in an
  88. easily manipulated person to command Babylon 5, as Welles
  89. indicated.
  90. * This episode shows the new defense grid (cf. [24]"GROPOS") in
  91. action for the first time. As promised it is an even match for a
  92. heavy battle cruiser. The battle doctrine for the B5 universe is
  93. one of fighters engage fighters, heavy ships engage heavy ships.
  94. During this combat sequence we see what happens when a heavy ship
  95. ignores the fighters and fails (for whatever reason) to deploy its
  96. own fighters. While not capable of inducing complete destruction
  97. of a heavy vessel in the short term, the fighters can strip a
  98. heavy vessel of its offensive/defensive armament since such
  99. weaponry is small compared to the ship and necessarily exposed in
  100. order to be effective.
  101. * Lantze is a dreamer and idealist, taking any steps to ensure peace
  102. for Earth. He is someone who feels that the ends justify the means
  103. so long as it does not involve Earth. This is a direct expression
  104. of the anti-alien feelings present at the moment on Earth. That
  105. Lantze is not directly involved in the NightWatch suggests that,
  106. while he understands the aims of the NightWatch, his concience is
  107. not capable of handling the individual betrayals involved. Perhaps
  108. the ideal politician.
  109. Welles, on the other hand, is very much caught up in the
  110. management of the NightWatch. He has no conscience pangs about the
  111. betrayal of individals. While he is a co-director of The Ministry
  112. of Peace, he probably has more real power than Lantze because of
  113. what he is managing. He is also gifted with the art of
  114. manipulating people as shown with both Zack and Sheridan (although
  115. the latter is more aware of the manipulation and capable of
  116. defending against it.)
  117. * The Narn cruiser will probably use other races threatened by the
  118. Centauri for assistance, perhaps acting as a mercenary. Or it may
  119. find somewhere quiet to lie low until it can be called into the
  120. service of homeworld. The Minbari cruiser Trigati managed to avoid
  121. capture for over ten years (cf. [25]"Points of Departure.")
  122. * The Shadows did not destroy the recorder marker dropped by Keffer.
  123. Either they failed to detect it (they aren't omnipotent,) or they
  124. chose to ignore it (they are confident it would make no
  125. difference, or were unaware of the contents.)
  126. * Keffer's recording log has been transmitted by ISN. This is
  127. exactly what Delenn and Sheridan wanted to avoid. Will it force
  128. the Shadows' hand now that they have been seen? Or will it push
  129. the forces of Light into even greater efforts?
  130. * The commentary by ISN at the end of the episode suggests that the
  131. events on Earth are not being manipulated by the Shadows. Of
  132. course this could just be a politically expedient newscast.
  133. * Kosh's rescue of Sheridan is like a blessing from the heavens.
  134. This will no doubt be taken as a sign of Sheridan's worthiness to
  135. lead the forces of Light, as it has already been taken to indicate
  136. that Babylon 5 is blessed.
  137. * When Kosh left his encounter suit only Delenn was present. She has
  138. already seen Kosh. The other ambassadors only saw a being of light
  139. rise up and rescue Sheridan. Kosh also landed in an empty part of
  140. the Zen garden before returning to his encounter suit. The
  141. conversation in the Zocalo between the Narn and the Drazi suggests
  142. they are not aware it is Kosh. What would the reaction be if these
  143. races were to find out that the Vorlons had been interfering
  144. (apparently benevolently) in the development of their race? Would
  145. religions collapse under the revelation that their supernatural
  146. beings were simply ancient aliens?
  147. * Does each Vorlon appear as a particular entity to each type of
  148. observer, an entity that remains the same over time? If so, could
  149. Kosh be the original G'Lan, and thus be at least a thousand years
  150. old?
  151. * Londo failed to see Kosh when he revealed himself. Does this
  152. extend to all Centauri, or is it peculiar to Londo? If it is the
  153. former then it suggests that either the Vorlons have not openly
  154. visited the Centauri (why?) or that their worship of their
  155. deceased Emperors as gods has diminished the effect of exposure to
  156. Vorlons. If it is the latter then it must be because of Londo's
  157. association with the Shadows. If this is the case then what would
  158. be the response of other Centauri on seeing a Vorlon? (see [26]jms
  159. speaks)
  160. * Carrying the above a step further, are Vorlons invisible to
  161. Centauri and/or to anyone of a race they haven't dealt with
  162. before? That suggests the possibility that the Shadows might be
  163. the same way, visible to some people and not to others.
  164. * Perhaps the Vorlons did visit the Centauri homeworld in the past,
  165. but manipulated the Xon ([27]"The Parliament of Dreams") instead
  166. of the Centauri.
  167. * Delenn seemed somewhat taken aback by Sheridan's unflattering
  168. appraisal of the Vorlons' motives; she seems willing to regard
  169. them as, if not completely good, at least altruistic, and is
  170. clearly awed by them. It's plausible she has perceived Kosh as a
  171. Minbari religious figure from the start, which has colored her
  172. perceptions of him in exactly the way Sheridan describes.
  173. Might Sheridan's less starry-eyed view of the Vorlons be due in
  174. part to the training he's been getting from Kosh, the point of
  175. which (for a while, anyway) was to help Sheridan and Kosh
  176. understand each other? Put another way, has Sheridan learned to
  177. fight the legends he believes Kosh's appearance is intended to
  178. evoke?
  179. * Why do the Vorlons appear as the particular religious figures they
  180. do? Each of the figures we saw was an idealized version of the
  181. race in question. Perhaps this is to make themselves seem less
  182. alien, more familiar and therefore less threatening. The fact that
  183. they feel the need to do this suggests that their true appearance
  184. may be very alien indeed.
  185. * When Sheridan mentioned to Delenn that everyone saw something
  186. different in Kosh, Delenn replied that each person saw something
  187. "according to his or her type." That choice of words can be
  188. interpreted in a disturbing way, to suggest that the Vorlons have
  189. organized other sentients into categories.
  190. * Might the Shadows' appearance also be subjective? What do they
  191. look like to Morden, for instance? It may be that the Shadows feel
  192. no need to deceive others about their appearance, as it might not
  193. advance their goals (whatever those goals might be.) Clearly the
  194. Shadows prefer not to be seen, to work through others, but that
  195. might be the result of small numbers or caution as much as
  196. anything else.
  197. * Kosh's true form is probably smaller than what everyone saw; for
  198. one thing, his encounter suit is shorter than he appeared to be.
  199. When he was behind the screen in [28]"Midnight on the Firing Line"
  200. he appeared to be much smaller as well. But he probably does have
  201. a physical form of some kind, since he was able to touch Sheridan
  202. (if it were just telekinesis, presumably he wouldn't have needed
  203. to leave his suit.)
  204. * Zack is having second thoughts about the NightWatch. Up until now
  205. he has been happily accepting their money in return for just
  206. wearing the armband and giving in few reports. He misunderstood
  207. their intentions and now realizes that should he try to leave he
  208. will be branded in the same way as the shopkeeper in the Zocalo.
  209. The fear of being taken out of society and branded as a traitor is
  210. greater than the urge to stand up for what he believes to be
  211. right. Zack's dissatisfaction with the NightWatch might be useful
  212. at a later date.
  213. * The signal for the Centauri weapons lock on to Babylon 5 sounded
  214. like that of a submarine sonar. It represents an active weapons
  215. lock (ship sending out signals to locate its target) rather than a
  216. passive lock (ship detecting emmissions from its target.) It
  217. brings a tension to the situation inherited from the submarine
  218. warfare genre of films.
  219. * How compatible is an Earth Alliance career and raising children?
  220. Ivanova's conversation with Lantze suggests that women do bear
  221. children while actively continuing with their careers. Another
  222. hint from JMS that the military at least are an equal
  223. oppourtunities employer.
  224. * The celebration of Winter Solstice described by Lantze is a pagan
  225. festival. The celebration of Christ's birth, though important in
  226. Christian teaching, was not begun until the 4th century. The time
  227. of year was chosen to counter the celebration of the Winter
  228. Solstice. Presumably the reference to the public celebration of
  229. the solstice indicate a more open tolerance of religion on Earth
  230. in the 22nd century, and that there are other religious groups
  231. that celebrate the same period for different reasons.
  232. * It's Keffer's obsession with the shadow ship he saw in hyperspace
  233. in [29]"A Distant Star" that leads to his demise.
  234. * Kosh has now offered his hand to Babylon 5's commander twice, both
  235. times with potentially disastrous results.
  236. * The exchange between Lennier and Vir might have been more than
  237. mere comic relief. Perhaps they were actually passing information
  238. back and forth using a code of some kind -- Vir now appears
  239. strongly motivated to do something like that.
  240. * Ivanova's lighting of candles at the end of the episode had a
  241. deeper meaning than may initially be obvious. In Orthodox Jewish
  242. tradition, Chanukah (the Festival of Lights) celebrates both the
  243. victory over the conquerors of Jerusalem and the victory of those
  244. who wanted to uphold traditional values over those who wanted to
  245. assimilate with the enemy, an internal struggle which is also
  246. arguably the main theme of the episode. (See [30]jms speaks, here
  247. and in [31]"The Long, Twilight Struggle")
  248. Notes
  249. * The character "Corwin" is no doubt named after Norman Corwin, JMS'
  250. friend and mentor.
  251. * Ivanova's comment about Sheridan being weightless depends on one's
  252. point of view. In a strict, pedantic sense, everyone on Babylon 5
  253. is close to weightless, since weight is defined as the force with
  254. which a mass is gravitationally attracted to another mass, and B5
  255. achieves the illusion of weight by rotation, not by gravity.
  256. (Leaving aside, of course, the gravity of the planet below the
  257. station.)
  258. Sheridan's movement away from the station's axis is due to three
  259. factors. First, the tram wasn't exactly at the axis, so it was
  260. revolving at some speed. Just as a rock flies in a straight line
  261. if you swing it on a piece of string then let go, Sheridan would
  262. have moved toward the ground even if he'd just stepped gingerly
  263. out the door.
  264. Of course, he didn't; he leapt. Depending on whether the door was
  265. facing into or against the station's spin, this might have either
  266. accelerated his descent or slowed it. The fact that he appeared to
  267. not leap very hard suggests that the door was facing spinward and
  268. he wanted to stay in the air as long as possible.
  269. The final factor is the atmosphere, which rotates in the Garden
  270. along with the ground and everything else. As Sheridan fell, he
  271. would be pushed along by air revolving at speeds closer and closer
  272. to the speed of the ground; this would tend to accelerate his
  273. fall, since it would cause him to revolve more quickly. So the
  274. longer he fell, the faster he would be going. That effect would
  275. probably be fairly weak for most of the fall, so it might not have
  276. accelerated him to high enough speed to cause serious harm when he
  277. hit the ground.
  278. Unfortunately, his inertia would keep him from achieving ground
  279. speed even with the push of the wind, so as Ivanova said, he would
  280. have hit the ground as if he'd fallen out of a car on the freeway,
  281. even if his rate of descent alone wouldn't have been enough to
  282. hurt him seriously.
  283. In any case, Sheridan is probably quite glad Kosh chose that
  284. moment to make an appearance.
  285. jms speaks
  286. * Janet [Greek] was not available to us for most of this season due
  287. to illness (flu turning into pneumonia), but she's better now, and
  288. will be directing our season-ender, "[The Fall of Night]." We hope
  289. to have her do five or six next year, and will of course try to
  290. get her for our first and last as with this year and the last of
  291. year one; she's kind of our good luck charm.
  292. * On Monday we begin our last week of filming. We're going for an
  293. eight-day shoot this one time, rather than our usual seven-day
  294. shoot, because of the extraordinary EFX requirements to pull off
  295. the finale. It should be a doozy.
  296. * How does the finale compare? Hmmm...depends on what you're looking
  297. for. "Inquisitor" is primarily a character piece, virtually no
  298. EFX, but very intense. The story is kind of straightforward, with
  299. a few kickers along the way. "Twilight" is a heavy story episode,
  300. that zips all over the B5 landscape, between the Narns, the
  301. Centauri, and elsewhere (he said vaguely). The finale, "The Fall
  302. of Night," is actually kind of deceptive; it starts out fairly
  303. calmly and tightens fairly fast. The story is not as
  304. back-and-forth or layered as Twilight or Coming, it's really about
  305. one thing. Visually, it's the most ambitious thing we've done to
  306. date, and probably the most ambitious EFX stuff done for a TV
  307. series *ever*. I don't think you'll feel left wanting after the
  308. episode is done.
  309. * No, the last ep of this season wasn't per se a cliffhanger, though
  310. it does tip over a few things, so it flows from 222 to 301 fairly
  311. smoothly.
  312. * Yeah, this is the other structure that's kind of a favorite of
  313. mine. I used it also in "Coming of Shadows." It starts out kind of
  314. slow, it lulls you into a sense that this is going to be a fairly
  315. ordinary story, nothing major...allowing me to sneak up behind you
  316. in the story and just *whack* you real hard when you're not
  317. expecting it.
  318. * We've been consistently giving Jeff Conaway more and more to do in
  319. the show because he's a very gifted actor; there are some moments
  320. in the coming month's episodes, particularly "The Fall of Night,"
  321. that should knock the word "mediocre" out of anyone's mouth.
  322. * _This episode had enough votes for a Hugo nomination, but JMS
  323. didn't accept the nomination._
  324. Yes, since the last time we were in Hugo contention, the splitting
  325. of votes cost us the award (combined votes would've been enough
  326. going in to win), the folks gave us the option of withdrawing one
  327. of the two, and since "The Coming of Shadows" seems the overall
  328. favorite, that one was the one kept.
  329. One other good thing about the withdrawl of one episode was that
  330. it allowed Terry Gilliam's "12 Monkeys" onto the ballot, which
  331. otherwise would've been frozen out, and it deserves the
  332. recognition of the nomination.
  333. We're all *very* pleased and excited by the nomination.
  334. * They gave me the option of having the two nominations or
  335. withdrawing one of the two, and we decided to go ahead and
  336. withdraw "Fall," to avoid splitting the vote, and to allow another
  337. entry into the field, which was apparently "12 Monkeys," which
  338. definitely deserves the recognition of the nomination.
  339. * Apparently this option is often given.
  340. * In a few days we will begin shooting the final episode of season
  341. two: "The Fall of Night." In terms of action, this is the biggest
  342. thing we've ever attempted. Where normally our scripts have 50-80
  343. scenes/shots (as noted in numerical sluglines), this one has 134;
  344. of which 64 are EFX shots, some in combinations. To understand the
  345. weight of that, there were 60 EFX shots in the entire two-hour
  346. pilot. In addition, this has more and more *complex* CGI than the
  347. first 13 episodes of our first season put TOGETHER. Nothing on
  348. quite this scale has ever been attempted in series TV before, and
  349. the irony is that the major part of this covers only a few minutes
  350. in the fourth act.
  351. This stuff is going to involve every one of our EFX divisions,
  352. compositing, makeup, prosthetics, costuming, practical effects,
  353. mattes, CGI; the visual EFX meeting was the biggest we've ever
  354. had, and everyone's both sober and excited. Because there are only
  355. two options when you go for something this substantial: either
  356. you're going to do something truly amazing, or you're going to
  357. massively fall on your face. For our EFX people, this is kinda
  358. like boarding the wildest ride at Magic Mountain and leaving off
  359. your seatbelt on a dare...it's one hell of a ride, but boy is it
  360. dangerous.
  361. But as Ron Thornton pointed out: no guts, no glory.
  362. This is also going to be a Janet Greek-directed episode, who for
  363. various reasons was only available to do our first episode prior
  364. to this, but she's kind of our good luck charm, and we wanted
  365. someone who's done as much for us as she has to come in here and
  366. helm this...because it could probably break a less experienced (on
  367. B5) director.
  368. * Thanks. That last sequence is the single biggest effects sequence
  369. done for TV, insofar as I know. There are 34 composite shots in a
  370. matter of just a few minutes. Our guys nearly went blind doing it,
  371. but it's cool. The whole feel, I think, is quite nice.
  372. * Definite agreement on the shuttle sequence, works nicely.
  373. * A wire harness was used; and the effect you ask about _[Kosh]_ was
  374. a mix of CGI, live action, and rotoscope.
  375. * I think the Kosh stuff is *very* cool...but I don't want to
  376. over-sell it; best to see it cold.
  377. * _Kosh's wings looked like those of the aliens in "The Abyss."_
  378. There was no deliberate homage, but the individual who helped
  379. design that, working with me, was Steve Burg, who has worked on
  380. Abyss and T2.
  381. * _How long did the Kosh scene take to get right?_
  382. It took, literally, months of trial and error, design and
  383. redesign, which is why we did it as the last episode of that
  384. season.
  385. * Since "The Fall of Night" has now aired in the UK, and word is
  386. getting out, herewith a post I left on GEnie about Kosh's
  387. now-revealed identity. I thought it came out fairly well, so I'm
  388. repeating it here.
  389. *****
  390. Okay. Here it is. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna reveal Kosh.
  391. I'm not kidding. Bail now if you're looking in and don't want to
  392. know.
  393. No backsies.
  394. I mean it.
  395. Last chance.
  396. Okay, this is it.
  397. "If he leaves his encounter suit, he will be recognized."
  398. "By who?"
  399. "Everyone."
  400. "The First Ones taught the younger races, explored beyond the rim,
  401. built civilizations...."
  402. Kosh is what you're pointing at when you say "That's Kosh."
  403. "Yes, the Vorlons have been to Earth, the Vorlons have been
  404. everywhere. The Vorlons *are*."
  405. They *are*.
  406. "For centuries, the Vorlons have helped the younger races, guiding
  407. us, and --" "And manipulating us?" "It is, as you say, a matter...
  408. of perspective."
  409. They *are*...a matter of perspective.
  410. Each race who sees them, sees something out of their own past,
  411. their own legends, religions, faiths. A being of light, if you
  412. will, but a Drazi sees the Drazi version of that, Droshalla; the
  413. Minbari see the Minbari version of that, Valeria; humans see a
  414. human version of that.
  415. It is the mirror in which we see our beliefs reflected, but is it
  416. the progenitor of those beliefs...or an implanted image that
  417. overlays that vision on top of the true form of the Vorlon? Is it
  418. revelation, or is it manipulation?
  419. The Vorlons are a cypher. The Vorlons are a matter of perspective.
  420. The Vorlons are guides...or users, emissaries or puppeteers, who
  421. wish to be seen a certain way, so that we will react properly.
  422. Is this good, or is this bad?
  423. And the truth is, even though you have seen a Vorlon, have you
  424. seen THE Vorlon, the one behind the image that dances somewhere
  425. between your optic nerve and your brain?
  426. Or to quote a message I left long ago, paraphrased from memory,
  427. "The hand Sinclair sees is not the hand Sinclair sees, and the
  428. hand Sinclair sees is not the same hand someone else in the room
  429. sees, and is not even the hand that that person sees."
  430. The Vorlons Are.
  431. * _Kosh is weak. He allowed himself to be poisoned by a Minbari and
  432. attacked by Morden. He needed a Vicar to probe Talia and needed
  433. Sebastian to test Delenn. He rarely does anything directly,
  434. preferring to use others. I find Kosh slightly righteous._
  435. Thanks. And finding Kosh slightly righteous is pretty much the
  436. desired intent. So you're clicking on all the right cylinders.
  437. * _Kosh is an angel! But which one?_
  438. Actually, no, not really; Kosh is what you see when you look at
  439. him. And if a Drazi looks at him, the Drazi sees something
  440. different than a Minbari; yes, a being of light, BUT....
  441. Is that what they actually ARE, or how they have programmed us to
  442. react when we see them? As Sheridan said, have we been
  443. *manipulated* to seeing them a certain way, seeing a certain
  444. image? We may not be seeing what they ARE, but what they WANT us
  445. to see.
  446. It goes a heck of a lot deeper than what it seems.
  447. * "Joe identified the figure Sheridan saw as the angel Gabriel."
  448. No I didn't.
  449. * Kosh *appears* to us as a being of light...doesn't mean that's
  450. entirely what he is, that's how we've been programmed to see him.
  451. * That's the irony, in a sense...what's inside Kosh's biomechanical
  452. encounter suit...is a *perceptual* encounter suit....
  453. * _Would a Hindu, or a Buddhist, see Kosh differently?_
  454. Yes, there would be some amount of variation among humans, though
  455. not in terms of beliefs that may have come along post-Vorlon
  456. influence. This sort of thing has been implanted almost at a
  457. genetic level, and they do have a hand, or a mind, in activating
  458. it when seen. The more people who see them in different ways, the
  459. longer they must maintain that, the greater the strain on them.
  460. * The more people who have to *see* Kosh as one of their own, the
  461. greater the strain on Kosh, as you'll note in the first ep of year
  462. three.
  463. * Being seen by one person is automatic, no strain involved, it's
  464. almost an autonomic reflex...it's extending the influence to more
  465. than one person that's difficult.
  466. * _The Vorlons aren't prepared to fight? They'll refuse?_
  467. As for the Vorlons line..."prepared" should be taken in the same
  468. sense as "ready"...so they may not yet be ready.
  469. * Yes, the Shadows know that the Vorlons are still around, and that
  470. Kosh is there. That's never been any kind of secret. They're just
  471. hoping that the Vorlons and anyone who might believe them won't
  472. find out that they're out and about again until too [late.]
  473. * The vorlons were never intending to hide themselves from the
  474. shadows; they both know where the other can be found. The concern
  475. was in the vorlons potentially revealing themselves to others, and
  476. standing openly as what they were.
  477. * The Vorlons aren't yet ready; they can't take on the shadows by
  478. themselves, and must bring together other forces.
  479. And in each case, re: Kosh, what they saw was not the *head* of
  480. their belief, but in essence a supporting being of light; it
  481. wasn't G'Quon, but G'Lan that G'Kar saw, which was a being that
  482. story tells us served G'Quon. So you wouldn't see the head of the
  483. religion, since there can only be one of those, and lots of
  484. Vorlons, but each tends to have a supporting cast, for lack of a
  485. better term. Those are what we perceive the vorlons to be.
  486. And remember, we didn't see any other human's POV of Kosh but
  487. Sheridan's.
  488. * No, she wouldn't. Again, you don't see the *top* of the echelon of
  489. any belief, because there can be only one of those; it's the
  490. servants of light you see (and even the Old Testament makes
  491. reference to such things).
  492. * Yes, those are pretty much the two interpretations... that the
  493. Vorlons *created* the myth of angels, or that they came in and
  494. *exploited* it for their own purposes. In my view, the latter
  495. seems more logical in some ways.
  496. * It has not been stated anywhere that the Vorlons created the angel
  497. element; they could easily just have come in and tried to exploit
  498. it....
  499. * I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks the use of an angelic (or
  500. seemingly angelic character), whose likes have been written about
  501. for, oh, about 4,000 years, is ripping off Star Trek, has his head
  502. so thoroughly up his ass as to have blipped into an entirely new
  503. intestinally-based reality and desperately needs to get a wider
  504. frame of reference.
  505. * When one Vorlon looks at another, he sees a proper Vorlon.
  506. * _Will WE see a proper Vorlon?_
  507. We will see them. Eventually.
  508. * What, I should begin catering to prurient interests? Broadcasting
  509. picture postcards (likely French) of Vorlons in provocative poses,
  510. in lingerie? A terrible thing, that a nice young man such as
  511. yourself should be asking about. Does your mother know you're out
  512. here doing this? Good heavens.
  513. And who said they reproduce anymore?
  514. * _Where did Kosh go afterwards?_
  515. First he returned to his encounter suit, then he went to his ship,
  516. and stayed there for quite a while.
  517. * Yes, he had the momentum from his jump, plus that of the core
  518. shuttle itself (which is considerable), plus the wind currents
  519. toward the center of the station area/garden, which area also
  520. considerable. Together that would be enough to keep him moving
  521. toward the outer edge of the garden area.
  522. * _What keeps people on their seats in the core shuttle?_
  523. There are mag-strips, also hand-holds, seat belts and foot-straps.
  524. As you enter you hear the voice warning that this is a reduced
  525. gravity area, and to exercise proper precautions.
  526. * Nnnnnnoo, not really; the Centauri don't actually have an
  527. equivalent to G'Quan or Valen.
  528. Believe it or not, this one answer may add another layer to a
  529. scene in one of the last episodes of this season. You can infer it
  530. backwards once you see it, but now you'll have it going in.
  531. * They [Centauri] believe in a variety of afterlives; the god you
  532. worship, of the centauri pantheon, holds dominion over a given
  533. "heaven" or afterworld. If you appease the god sufficiently during
  534. life, it will accept you into that afterworld, in preparation for
  535. the day when all heavens are united; if not, you will have to be
  536. reborn and choose another until one accepts you.
  537. * Londo saw what he said he saw.
  538. * Basically, all that was indicated in the script was that he for a
  539. beat isn't sure what's up...then lets it go. I generally don't
  540. drop specific points explaining foreshadowing in the scripts, in
  541. case they leak out. If a line like that isn't sufficiently clear
  542. for the actor's intent, they then come to me and I explain it
  543. verbally. This was done in particular when we had to shoot
  544. "Chrysalis" before "Signs and Portents," even though the latter
  545. aired before the former.
  546. * _"It doesn't matter. This place has been blessed." Nobody was
  547. trying to claim it was only THEIR deity._
  548. Thanks. I think that, with so many races around, you couldn't go
  549. into holy wars or jihads at every occasion. In a way, what was
  550. seen was a validation for many...a moment they all came together,
  551. instead of coming apart.
  552. * _Why didn't Clark reprimand Sheridan personally?_
  553. From a strictly logical standpoint, a president would not lower
  554. himself to deal with this personally. When MacArthur and Patton
  555. earned the disfavor of the president, it was intermediaries who
  556. pulled them aside and registered this. Also, gradually more
  557. authority is being vested in Nightwatch and the Ministry of Peace,
  558. as that's his arm, and so he'd be inclined to use that since he's
  559. in most direct control. (Just to explain why what was done was
  560. done.)
  561. * _About Zack trusting the Nightwatch_
  562. And bear in mind that it's never just a common sense "oh, these
  563. guys are lying to me from Nightwatch, they're the bad guys." It's
  564. always couched in such a way that it sounds like it *might* be a
  565. real concern. That was how McCarthy and others terrorized this
  566. country during the 1950s. There were plenty of people who really
  567. *believed* that the Reds had infiltrated every aspect of society,
  568. as well as those who might've had doubts, but figured that maybe
  569. where there's smoke there IS fire.
  570. * There's also a certain amount of McCarthyism inherent in the
  571. Nightwatch, the emphasis on revealing spies in our midst, enemies
  572. of the people.
  573. The problem with pointing to the Nazis or the Gestapo exclusively
  574. is that it allows us the safety of saying, "Well, it happened just
  575. there, and only once, *we* could never fall for that."
  576. Wrong.
  577. * Bear in mind that Sheridan specifically states that the treaty had
  578. *not* been finalized yet between Earth and the Centauri, so the
  579. attack was not a violation of a treaty that hadn't been signed
  580. yet. (And very likely the Centauri captain was unaware of it
  581. *anyway*, just as Sheridan was taken by surprise by it all.)
  582. * _I hope Sheridan verified those orders._
  583. And the really great thing is...you're quite right about verifying
  584. orders from one arm of the government with another...as we'll see
  585. in the first third of the coming season. Good call.
  586. * After the Centauri tried to kill him, the need for an apology was
  587. somewhat obviated. Had he still been forced to do so, the one he
  588. rehearsed was the one he intended to give.
  589. * _The "peace in our time" reference_
  590. Yes, it was a definite nod to Chamberlain, and a bit of
  591. foreshadowing for ominous things to come.
  592. * There are a number of metaphors in the show that operate on many
  593. different levels; it can't be a one-to-one corrolary to WW II,
  594. because that limits and makes predictable your story.
  595. In musical terms, it's almost a tonal piece, taking elements to
  596. which we respond, almost subconsciously, and then rearranging them
  597. into something that is, one hopes, a new construct. You can find
  598. here echoes of Vietnam, of Kennedy, of Chamberlain, of WW II, of
  599. Korea, of the Mideast; in a way, it's a thematic piece that
  600. touches how we have come to think of war, and conflict, across the
  601. development of the 20th century, and the role of the individual in
  602. that regard.
  603. We have learned to think of war as something now on a huge scale,
  604. an entity in itself. Once upon a time, before the gatling gun and
  605. the automatic rifle, combat was something individual, even in
  606. larger wars, one person against the enemy...and that person was
  607. honored, one person could turn the tide against the enemy. In a
  608. world in which weapons of mass destruction exist, where then is
  609. the individual? Where then the bravery, the struggle, the
  610. triumph...and the failure? Where, fundamentally, is the
  611. responsibility?
  612. All of that is intertwined with the storyline, and to communicate
  613. that I'm not averse to taking elements of history that resonate
  614. with that theme and reworking them, knowing that on a cellular
  615. level, we *recognize* that aspect, we've seen it...but now in a
  616. new context, we can see it differently, discuss its implications,
  617. *learn* from it.
  618. This is one of the things I rarely talk about, because it's the
  619. kind of thing that is best left simply implied, or implicit, in
  620. the work, and because if you have to draw attention to something
  621. in the work, somehow I think it lessens it, because it works best
  622. unspoken. And because I guess it sounds kinda presumptuous, and
  623. high-falutin' and self-indulgent. But it's one the things that
  624. matters to me in the context of the story.
  625. * [32]Symbolism in Ivanova's candle-lighting
  626. Moshe: an excellent analysis of the theme behind that scene, which
  627. as you state ties directly into the theme of the whole episode,
  628. and moreover, somewhat sets up the theme for the coming
  629. season...who will determine your identity, the rules you follow,
  630. who will lead you, and who you are...the question of, as you say,
  631. those who wish to accommodate and give in to pressures from within
  632. and from without.
  633. Didn't want to be heavy-handed about it, so I figured those who
  634. got it, got it; those who didn't, would see a nice candle scene
  635. which sets the mood, even if they don't get the full
  636. thematic/symbolic aspects that others would get.
  637. (not a Talmudic scholar, but I play one on TeeVee....)
  638. * The narrative [at the end] was a tonal setup for next season.
  639. * _Imagery in Season Two episode titles?_
  640. Yes; work it out as you have, but take it further...we start with
  641. a point of departure...then after some revelations, examine the
  642. geometry of shadows, then begin to more forward, a race through
  643. dark places. We come toward the long dark, our past a distant
  644. star. We carry the motif of a world getting dark. The coming of
  645. shadows that darkens into the long twilight struggle, the last
  646. period between day and night...and we end the season on...the fall
  647. of night.
  648. * Actually, the "snitch" was the C&C tech, NOT the pilot, they just
  649. have a somewhat similar appearance.
  650. We've established that klaxons go off elsewhere in the station
  651. during an attack to warn civilians, but they aren't going off in
  652. C&C because they make it impossible to concentrate, as per
  653. military tradition (see [33]"And Now For a Word" to confirm this).
  654. There wasn't time to call Draal, and they can't begin relying on
  655. him for every problem; they have to be able to hold their own. You
  656. would only bring in Draal on something really major.
  657. * _Is Keffer dead?_
  658. He is an Ex-Keffer.
  659. * _Does that mean he's dead?_
  660. Dead as the proverbial doorknob.
  661. * _Keffer jettisoned his recording as soon as the Shadow ship
  662. started scanning him. But the ISN broadcast showed the Shadow ship
  663. turning and firing._
  664. Yeah, I kinda figured that recorders like this would be outfitted
  665. with a receiver for the ship's gun camera. This would be vital to
  666. locate ships that got lost, and track as long as possible what
  667. happened after the log was ejected, and before the recorder moved
  668. out of range.
  669. * Yes, the camera was still mounted on the Starfury, but cameras
  670. even today are constantly transmitting to other locations; TV
  671. cameras don't just transmit on a cable to the box they're attached
  672. to, they are uplinked to other places. Similarly, the recording
  673. device continued to receive transmission from the Starfury until
  674. such time as it either went out of range or, in this case, the
  675. transmitter was destroyed.
  676. * _What was the part of the station that was shot off?_
  677. It's an area for helping secure ships while being offloaded into
  678. the zero-G cargo bay right behind it.
  679. * We'll see both the tines being repaired, and the core shuttle
  680. being fixed, in ep 1 of year 3. The tines are mainly to stabilize
  681. incoming cargo ships so they can be offloaded (something we've
  682. shown there from time to time) into the zero-g cargo bay.
  683. * _What does "time on target" mean?_
  684. It's an actual military term for launching a lot of stuff, so that
  685. even though it's launched at different times, it all arrives at
  686. once.
  687. * The interceptors line refers to the fact that there are so many
  688. incoming bursts that the interceptors are only knocking down 90%
  689. of them at this point, meaning that some of them (the incoming
  690. bursts) are getting through.
  691. * Visually, yeah, I'd have to say TFoN is one of our biggest from
  692. year two, and I'm quite fond of it; the only reason that it isn't
  693. in my top three is because while the last half is very intense, it
  694. takes a little bit to get there; I like 'em intense from the first
  695. frame on.
  696. For the growing use of montage/intercutting...it's really just a
  697. process of continuing to learn my craft. So I try out and
  698. experiment with different techniques. While I love dialogue, and
  699. lots of it, I'm also coming more and more to appreciate moments
  700. where you *only* play the visuals, and the music, and get out of
  701. the way of the Moment.
  702. * It's fair to say that you will be seeing that Narn cruiser again;
  703. it's still out there.
  704. * _Keffer wears a blue scarf with white stars; Mitch wears a white
  705. scarf with red stars. Is scarf color indicative of squadron?_
  706. I do believe they relate to squadrons, yes.
  707. Originally compiled by Jason Snell.
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