The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5
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  4. _Contents:_ [9]Overview - [10]Backplot - [11]Questions - [12]Analysis
  5. - [13]Notes - [14]JMS
  6. _________________________________________________________________
  7. Overview
  8. Londo summons his three wives to Babylon 5. A mysterious man from
  9. Talia's past reappears. [15]Jane Carr as Timov. [16]Lois Nettleton
  10. as Daggair. [17]Blair Valk as Mariel. [18]Keith Szarabajka as
  11. Matthew Stoner.
  12. (Originally titled "Pestilence, Famine and Death.")
  13. Sub-genre: Comedy
  14. [19]P5 Rating: [20]7.68
  15. Production number: 208
  16. Original air date: December 14, 1994
  17. Written by Peter David
  18. Directed by John C. Flinn, III
  19. Watch For:
  20. * G'Kar tossing something to someone at a party.
  21. * Daffy Duck.
  22. _________________________________________________________________
  23. Backplot
  24. Centauri culture is built largely on family stature, and virtually all
  25. of an individual's position and influence derive from the relative
  26. standing of the family. Links between families can be very important,
  27. and marriages are the primary way of forging these links. Marriages
  28. are almost always arranged by the families for the benefit of the
  29. families, regardless of the wishes (if any) of the Centauri being
  30. married. Londo's marriages are notoriously bad. Indeed, he calls his
  31. three wives Pestilence, Famine and Death, and it's been hinted that he
  32. took a post to Babylon 5, a post where he knew he'd be forced to
  33. concede defeat after defeat to the hated Narn, simply to escape the
  34. three of them.
  35. The control Psi-Corps maintains over its members is quite pervasive,
  36. extending to all levels of their personal lives. In one respect they
  37. are similar to the Centauri -- they arrange marriages between their
  38. members. This, coupled with the fact that all persons showing any psi
  39. talent at all are pressed into the Corps or nullified, makes them a
  40. budding closed society. Most importantly, once in Psi-Corps you are
  41. theirs forever, and they can do anything with you they want.
  42. Unanswered Questions
  43. * Why do G'Kar and Mariel know each other? What's been going on in
  44. the past with the two of them?
  45. * Why did Psi-Corps dissolve the marriage between Stoner and Talia?
  46. Analysis
  47. * Stoner is a puzzle. Did he really ever leave Psi-Corps? He is a
  48. strong projective empath. He may be a receptive empath as
  49. well--but since he treats people rather poorly this doesn't seem
  50. very likely...at best it's unproven. Given his talent he could
  51. have manipulated the people around him from the very beginning, up
  52. to and including letting him leave. His claim that he lost his
  53. talent altogether is disproven rather quickly by a group of
  54. amateurs. Psi-Corps scientists working on modifying psi talents
  55. would have been very difficult to fool. On the whole, it's most
  56. likely that Sheridan is right, and Stoner was actively working for
  57. Psi-Corps all along.
  58. * At first glance, one might wonder why on Earth Stoner would be in
  59. on a plot to kill Londo. G'Kar notes to Mariel that Stoner just
  60. happened to bring the artifact onboard on the eve of Londo's
  61. ascension anniversary, which would be too staggering a
  62. coincidence, _if_ it had been booby-trapped from the start.
  63. However:
  64. * G'Kar may have been behind the plot to kill Londo. In the scene
  65. where Mariel notices his boots, just before he walks off, G'Kar
  66. tosses something small to her. Perhaps it's just a grape, since he
  67. was picking them from the table. Or it could be a set of poison
  68. darts to load into the statue. If so, Stoner is even more innocent
  69. than he claims to Sheridan and Garibaldi; the statue really was
  70. completely harmless when he brought it aboard. However:
  71. * G'Kar later says to Mariel, "Mysteries give me a pain." And the
  72. only way that he can ease the pain is to decipher the mystery. He
  73. then goes on to describe the situation with Mariel and Londo as
  74. the mystery that he had to solve. If so, then he was uninvolved in
  75. the attempt on Londo -- which again raises the question: What did
  76. G'Kar toss to Mariel?
  77. * If G'Kar was involved, perhaps G'Kar knows what Londo is up to
  78. with the Shadows and wants to assassinate him for that reason, or
  79. perhaps it's just the general enmity between the two. Or maybe the
  80. whole thing was Mariel's idea and G'Kar merely gave her the means.
  81. * Whatever the answer to "who knew what, and when?" the
  82. relationships remain. G'Kar knows Mariel well enough to have a
  83. private and informal discussion with her, and he may have been
  84. involved in the plot to kill Londo. Stoner (and by extension
  85. Psi-Corps) may know Mariel, and may also have been involved in the
  86. plot to kill Londo -- at least insofar as Stoner delivered the
  87. instrument of his (near) death.
  88. * Talia's relationship to Psi-Corps is called into question here on
  89. both ends. First, it's clear that she is completely disillusioned
  90. with the corps. She confesses to Garibaldi that Psi-Corps
  91. frightens her. She is presumably deeply conditioned, but her
  92. loyalties are wavering despite this. On the other side of the
  93. equation, if Stoner is still Corps then his offer to her is also
  94. on the behest of Psi-Corps. Did her actions during [21]"A Spider
  95. in the Web" bring her to the attention of Bureau 13? And if so,
  96. are they trying to unofficially take her out of the picture?
  97. * Though it at first glance might appear to be a comedic throwaway
  98. line, Delenn's final complaint may actually be the most important
  99. revelation of the entire episode. It implies that her
  100. transformation has given her a human reproductive system. Possibly
  101. that was even the point of the transformation; if indeed the
  102. change was made to bring humans and Minbari closer together, a
  103. child born of a human father and a Minbari mother might be
  104. considered a powerful link by some.
  105. * Which, of course, begs the question: who does she intend the
  106. father to be, if this is what she has in mind? Sinclair seems an
  107. obvious choice, given the evidence that she believes him to be the
  108. reincarnation of a great Minbari soul (cf. [22]"Soul Hunter,"
  109. among others.)
  110. * Psi Corps seems to be big on assigning companions. In addition to
  111. Stoner, Talia was assigned a support officer, Abby, during her
  112. first year at the Psi Corps center when she was a girl ([23]"A
  113. Spider in the Web.")
  114. Notes
  115. * The name of Timov's father, "Alghul," means "The Demon" in Arabic.
  116. It may also be connected to the comic book character Ras Al-Ghul
  117. ("Head of the Demon") from the Batman series, debatably the
  118. Batman's most dangerous foe. Ras' daughter, Talia, has been the
  119. Batman's lover, and is the mother of his child. In any case, Londo
  120. has remained married to the daughter of "The Demon," appropriate
  121. given his recent acquaintances.
  122. Peter David speaks
  123. * Y'know...for the past five years I've been writing Trek novels,
  124. and fans kept asking, "When are you going to start doing Trek TV
  125. episodes?"
  126. So here comes B5, I do an episode...and what do the fans keep
  127. asking? When am I going to do a B5 novel.
  128. NYAAAARRRRRRRGGGHHHH!!!
  129. * [Re: Talia] My feeling was that it was something that had been
  130. building slowly within her ever since the Ironheart episode. That
  131. although she had been *saying* she was devoted, well...the
  132. difference between the reality of a B5 and the frequent unreality
  133. of STTNG is that folks don't always say exactly what's on their
  134. mind (kind of like the real world.) As it turned out, my own
  135. thoughts on Talia dovetailed with future plans for her.
  136. Daggair was Pestilence. Timov was Famine. Mariel was Death.
  137. Originally I was going to have each of their names reflect their
  138. respective "incarnations," but decided that was too cutesy. The
  139. only holdover from that idea is Timov's name which is, of course,
  140. Vomit spelled backwards.
  141. * Daggair is Pestilence, Timov is Famine, and Mariel is Death.
  142. At first I was going to have all their names be reflections of the
  143. titles "assigned" them by Londo, but I decided that would be too
  144. cutesy. The only holdover from that idea is Timov, whose name
  145. backwards is, of course, Vomit. (I'll never forget Jane Carr
  146. coming over to me the fifth day of shooting and saying in that
  147. accented voice of hers, "Peter...did you *know* that my
  148. character's name is vomit spelled backwards?" Uhhhh...well,
  149. yeah...)
  150. You all realize, of course, that Londo is--by process of
  151. elimination-- War.
  152. * In response to someone who thought JMS wanted a line of dialogue
  153. inserted
  154. This is a total misinterpretation of a statement I made, and yet
  155. another example of how the information age can also be the
  156. misinformation age. Incorrect "facts" can make the rounds at light
  157. speed and stay there.
  158. I did *not* say that Joe wanted one particular line put into the
  159. script. What I *said* (in response to a question some time ago of
  160. "How much did JMS tell you to put into the script? How much of the
  161. events were dictated) was that all I was given was one line of
  162. *description* (much like a log line you'd see in TV Guide). The
  163. line was something to the effect of, "Londo's wives show up on B5
  164. and, in the way that Londo handles the difficulties that ensue, we
  165. learn something about the type of man that he is." I explained
  166. this in order to make clear how much latitude JMS gives writers on
  167. the show, as opposed to the omnipresent smothering hands-on
  168. attitude of other programs.
  169. And somehow this became mutated into "JMS has a line of dialogue
  170. that he wanted inserted."
  171. * How funny. Other people who stated flatly that they likewise knew
  172. Londo loudly proclaimed (over on Usenet) that he would have chosen
  173. Daggair. Maybe he's a kind of tough guy to know.
  174. * _Poster had no trouble guessing; the actress playing Timov "was
  175. the most well-known actress of them all"_
  176. Oh, I don't know. Lois Nettleton's career goes way further back
  177. than Jane Carr's does. Although Jane *is* from the Royal
  178. Shakespeare Company (and yes, she did work with Patrick Stewart.
  179. She's so pleased that now she too has portrayed a bald SF icon.)
  180. * *I* didn't get "bitch" past the censors. I just put it in the
  181. script.
  182. (What I loved was Daggair's expression on that line. It's the only
  183. time she let her facade slip and she looked like she was ready to
  184. slug Timov.)
  185. * _The second scene between Garibaldi and Stoner was intense_
  186. Tension really crackled between the two of them, didn't it? In one
  187. of the takes, it was so intense that at the end, the director
  188. forgot to yell "Cut." Instead he shouted, "God, that was great!"
  189. * _Thanks for showing us another side of Garibaldi_
  190. Oh, the side was already there, in my opinion. I think back to
  191. previous episodes where Garibaldi was all for spacing that serial
  192. killer. When he encounters people he doesn't like, or have done
  193. dirt to people who are Garibaldi's friends, he can be pretty
  194. ruthless.
  195. * As we've seen, Garibaldi doesn't exactly have the easiest time
  196. being demonstrative in his feelings for women.
  197. jms speaks
  198. * Originally, "Soul Mates" was intended to be broadcast after "A
  199. Race Through Dark Places." ARTDP required a rather substantial
  200. amount of post production work and audio design; "Mates" did not.
  201. Rather than rush "Race," we decided it was okay to air those two
  202. in reverse order. If they have aired with "Race" first in the UK,
  203. then yes, it's different than the US order, but it *is* the
  204. correct production and story order.
  205. * All things considered, the episode went through fairly cleanly,
  206. script- wise, not much in the way of revision. Peter has a good
  207. ear for dialog (not surprising). So for the most part it was
  208. little stuff; for example...Peter came up with, "Either I'm in
  209. hell or in medlab," to which I appended, "...either way, the decor
  210. needs work." Which is kind of the fun in getting an outside
  211. script; you can hear the first part of a line you'd never
  212. considered, and knowing the character, you can take it just a
  213. little further.
  214. * Timov's "WHO IS THIS?!" in that high-pitched voice would also be a
  215. great one for an answering machine.
  216. * What I love best about this is that given the time of year [of its
  217. North American premiere], "Soul Mates" is basically our Christmas
  218. episode.
  219. I mean, are we perverse or what...?
  220. * . . . when you say "why wasn't Mariel arrested on the spot by
  221. Garibaldi and her quarters searched," you omit both legal
  222. procedure and evidentiary law.
  223. You arrest someone AFTER you have reasonable cause and sufficent
  224. evidence to justify it. You don't need enough evidence to convict,
  225. just to arrest or indict. So the order is reversed for starters.
  226. Second, what evidence *was* there to be found if he HAD searched
  227. her quarters? She neither brought nor had ANYthing of an
  228. incriminating nature. She bought the figurine in the bazaar...and
  229. that's all she had, and all she used. There WAS no evidence in her
  230. quarters to find.
  231. (Believe me, I spent 2 years on MURDER, SHE WROTE, and we learned
  232. a lot about how this stuff works. You can't just go around
  233. arresting people willy nilly, and the evidence must exist, and be
  234. sufficient, and locatable.)
  235. * Peter's having the time of his life. He loves where his character
  236. is going, loves the range of emotions he gets to play...I saw him
  237. for a bit on the set today, shooting "Soul Mates," and he's just
  238. tickled (particularly since he's acting opposite Lois Nettleton,
  239. Jane Carr and Blair Valk as his three wives).
  240. _________________________________________________________________
  241. Compiled by Steven Grimm and Dave Zimmerman
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