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- This file includes a compilation of posts on GEnie by J. Michael
- Straczynski in the Babylon 5 category. The posts are copyright by JMS
- (and compilation copyright is by GEnie).
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- Posts are from Nov 1, 1993 through Dec 2, 1993
-
- ************
- Topic 1 Mon Oct 26, 1992
- SF-MARSHALL [Dave ] at 18:50 EST
- Sub: Babylon 5 - The Series (Non-Spoiler)
-
- Welcome to the Babylon 5 category and main topic for the new series. Here is
- the place for all general information on the series. Topic 2 is the location
- for SPOILERS. And please, NO STORY IDEAS are to be posted either.
- 368 message(s) total.
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 113 Sun Oct 31, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:48 EDT
-
- Just an update...on Monday we a) do the final mix on "Midnight on the
- Firing Line," so we'll have two finished and in the can, and b) finish
- shooting Christy's episode of "Grail." (And those of you who've been asking
- for nonhumanoid alien stuff...hold onto your hats for this one.) On Tuesday
- we start shooting "Mind War," with Walter Koenig, William Allan Young and
- Felicity Waterman. Both "Grail" and "Mind War" have been heavy on EFX, both
- visual (on set) and CGI.
-
- In looking at all the episodes shot to date, from a story point of view,
- I think that "Sky" is still my favorite, in how it ties into the whole 5 year
- arc. From a personal point of view, I'm very fond of "The Parliament of
- Dreams," which is a very funny show, and at times a very emotional show.
- "Parliament" is all over the place...it's got all of our major characters, our
- ambassadors, their seconds, we see lots of group scenes, we're all over the
- station, dipping in and out of three different but interconnected
- stories...it's really a matter of keeping a lot of balls in the air at one
- time, and I think we pulled it off nicely.
-
- BTW, we've finished assembling the main title sequence, and we're going
- to do one extra little thing to it that's kinda neat...more on this closer to
- airdate.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 123 Sun Oct 31, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 20:29 EST
-
- There are a lot of little in-jokes...but I'd rather let you see them than
- ruin the surprise.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 133 Tue Nov 02, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:11 EST
-
- We sneak in GEnie coordinates from time to time....
-
- We now have just under half the episodes now filmed, and just finished
- the final mix on "Midnight," so that's two totally completed. It takes a long
- time after an episode is finished to do a final mix, particularly on a show
- like this, since you've got to work out sound, score music, and do any
- rotoscope/Viz EFX stuff. Once you do the first one, after that they fall into
- place on a weekly basis (so next Monday we should have the final on "Purple,"
- then the following Monday we'll finalize "Infection," and so on).
-
- "Midnight" is very cool, by the way. Christopher Franke's music really
- brings the action scenes to life. It's amazing how much that adds to a show.
-
- Had an interesting conversation today with one of our crew. I was
- talking to someone else about the writing philosophy on the show, and how it's
- comparable to a tryptich...you line up the stories and you begin to see a much
- broader story after a while. A series of interconnected images.
-
- And this crew person said that I was wrong, that wasn't how the show is
- being done. Now lemme tell you...we encourage people on every level to speak
- frankly, at any time, to any one, but it takes considerable cojones to say
- something like that to one's exec producer, that he has his own series wrong
- in the description. "Oh?" says I.
-
- He explains that what it is, is "holographic storytelling." I asked him
- what the hell this meant. He said that the image of pictures side by side,
- linear storytelling, wasn't right. That after he read two scripts, he went
- back and reread the first one, and now he could see things in it that he
- hadn't seen before. When he'd read three, again he glanced over the first,
- and new things had come out.
-
- "What it IS," he said, "is not side-by-side images, but *overlaping*
- images, like old fashioned photographic plates stacked up one on top of the
- other. Each has a piece of the whole picture. When you line them all up, one
- behind the other, and look through all of them at once, you realize what the
- picture is. It's three-dimensional storytelling."
-
- I had to think about that one a long time, but frankly, he's right, and
- I'm wrong. That *IS* what we're doing, and I've been describing it
- incorrectly all this time.
-
- Holographic storytelling...well, live and learn, I say.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 137 Tue Nov 02, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:21 EST
-
- Not this season, no. Nor are there currently any plans for same.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 148 Thu Nov 04, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:38 EST
-
- Now that we've finished mixing some shows, we've now seen how Kosh
- speaks, followed through to the end. It's a very unusual system that he's got
- there, and it's *real* creepy to watch/listen to it. The kind of thing that
- makes your skin crawl after a while.
-
- I love it.
-
- Today,ter Koenig's 2nd day working in the B5 universe, as a Psi Cop in
- "Mind War." He's doing well, taking part in some very difficult scenes (fight
- scenes and the ilke), and it's a very powerful performance, not at ALL what
- people have seen before. He's a terrific performer when given a role with
- some meat to it. And the dailies look great. I think this episode will wake
- up a lot of people who have never seen Walter as anything other than Chekov.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 157 Fri Nov 05, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:35 EST
-
- Yes, people will go to the bathroom. ANd yes, they will speak in their
- own languages when amongst their own kind...but just as with a WW II movie,
- when you show the germans talking to one another, it'll be English. On those
- occasions when someone speaks Narn around humans, then of course it's another
- language, and will sound that way.
-
- The pilot was a tad too dark looking; we've taken a slightly lighter look
- for the series, while keeping the shadows and textures that we want.
-
- What a weird day...I just get over the flu, this is my first really
- healthy day, and on the way back from the lunch trucks I slip spraining my
- ankle. Now, after I've had the flu, I generally tend to dress warmly for a
- few days, wear my slippers, to avoid falling back. So now here I am typing
- this with a bag of ice on my foot. Either way...I'm doomed.
-
- Funny incident today, though, also at lunch. Walter Koenig joined some
- of the cast members at their table for lunch, and as he came to the table,
- they all stood up at attention. When asked why, they explained that it's
- protocol for junior officers to stand when a senior officer comes to the
- table. It was kind of a nice moment.
-
- Shooting on "Mind War" continues to go well. Great stuff from Walter.
- Also, I've finally seen the final version of the B5 main title, with the
- addition of Christopher Franke's B5 theme music...and it's just terrific, a
- huge step over the pilot, much as I liked some aspects of that music. It's
- rich, romantic, full, aggressive, and it stays in the mind afterward.
-
- Looking good....
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 164 Sat Nov 06, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:39 EST
-
- The B5 soundtrack for the series is built from many different kinds of
- pieces, synthesized (based on one of the most extensive collection of
- musical/audio samples in the world, which Christopher has been in the process
- of collecting ever since he practically hand-assembled his first Moog), and
- symphonic, since we're using the Berlin Symphonic Orchestra for some elements
- of our score. It changes dramatically depending on the subject.
-
- Re: gunfire...in a way, you'll see them...and in a way, you won't. I
- know that sounds like a Zen koan, but it'll make sense when you see how they
- work.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 174 Sun Nov 07, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:35 EST
-
- The main problem with using sub-titles under an alien language to any
- real degree is, of course, the probelm with the blind viewership, which is
- especially large in SF, it appears.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 196 Thu Nov 11, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:16 EST
-
- Well, we've finished finalizing our main/opening titles sequence, and
- done the on-line editing, and now will put it into the process and start
- putting whole shows together. We've decided, in order to emphasize the
- cinematic aspects of our show, that it's taking more of a movie approach to TV
- SF...to do the main titles in letterbox format.
-
- And it looks really, really cool.
-
- jms
-
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 198 Thu Nov 11, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 15:38 EST
-
- Yes, the main titles will be in letterbox format for conventional
- televisions...we're taking the footage that we've shot in 16:9 aspect ratio,
- and shrinking it down just enough to fit, so there's black on top and bottom,
- the same way that, for instance, TNT shows movies in their full aspect ratio.
- And we've custom designed some CGI that also is in that format. (In the case
- of series footage that we're using, there you'll be able to compare the
- regular aspect ratio of the broadcast with what's in the main titles. In
- other words, there's a scene in "Parliament" of a Minbari gathering. In
- regular aspect, as part of the show, you'll see it one way. We've clipped a
- section of that for the main titles and used the full aspect ratio, and in
- that you'll see the far right and left sides normally clipped for standard TV
- aspect ratio.)
-
- Apparently this is also done on Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman, I learned the
- other day, so that'll give you some sense of it. It's very effective at
- giving a real cinematic feel to your main titles.
-
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 202 Thu Nov 11, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 21:13 EST
-
- No, it won't be rare. And that's the reason why we're NOT doing
- subtitles. This is the difference between something sounding neat on paper,
- but not in reality, and especially not on a TV series.
-
- If you're doing a feature film, and only have one or two shots of aliens
- talking in subtitles, for brief periods, you can do this; also if you're doing
- an SF series in which you're mainly talking to humans, and only rarely among
- your own kind.
-
- But in B5, a LOT of our time is spent with our various alien characters.
- And sometimes the conversation can get quite detailed, quite complex or
- political. In one script, for instance, there's a 2 1/2 minute scene with
- G'Kar and Na'Toth, followed by two lengthy scenes with Londo and Vir, and
- Delenn and Vir. So you're talking about maybe 5 minutes here. The
- conversation is very detailed, very elaborate. So are you a) going to put all
- of this complex dialogue on screen, line by line, and b) use subtitles for
- FIVE UNBROKEN MINUTES?
-
- You'd kill yourself as a series. No one would stand for it, and they'd
- be right. Again, not every good idea is a workable or practical idea.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 208 Fri Nov 12, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:26 EST
-
- I don't offhand know the answer to the more tech question; the info is at
- the office, and I always get them confused in my head. I'm fairly sure it's
- option c, though.
-
- RE: composition...the monitor on which the director and DP can watch and
- see what the camera sees has on it demarkations to show the regular aspect
- ratio, as well as the widescreen view. Which pretty much allows them to
- compose for both, for the most part.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 216 Sat Nov 13, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:12 EST
-
- We're not shooting on videotape, so it's kind of a moot point. We're
- shooting on film, which can be converted to HDTV standards *very* easily. The
- pixel density is a function of where you go once you decide to convert the
- film. It's now being converted to video at standard resolution; when HDTV
- comes into existence commercially, the film will be reprocessed out and
- transferred to video at that level.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 224 Mon Nov 15, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 04:54 EST
-
- I really don't know that much; apparently there's something in the works
- about toys, but I don't have specifics. Ditto for comics and the like. I
- tend not to get my head too far into that part of it, because I think that as
- soon as you do, you can get lost in merchandising, and the next thing you know
- you're doing things not necessarily because they belong in the story, but
- because they make great merchandise prospects.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 229 Tue Nov 16, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:44 EST
-
- Our head of post production, associate producer George Johnsen, pulled a
- number on me today that just struck me as hilarious, and I pass it on to you.
- (We do a lot of silly stuff behind the scenes.)
-
- Take your hands. Fold in the thumb until it's pointing in toward the
- palm of your hand, but not entirely. Fan out your other four fingers on each
- hand as far as you can. Now put the two hands together so that the index
- fingers touch, and the pinkies are on either side of one another (i.e., you've
- formed a crown or fan). Raise your hands so that your wrists are settling on
- either side of the top of your head.
-
- Now look at the person sitting next to you and say, "Live, Londo, and
- Prosper." This is the unofficial B5 crew greeting. Apparently some have been
- doing it when they arrive for work in the morning.
-
- We're a sick bunch, but we're fun.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 234 Wed Nov 17, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:00 EST
-
- The following is *not* a shot, I repeat, the following is NOT a shot,
- okay? It's just...last night, I got in from the stage late, and the last 15
- minutes of the latest TNG effort was on, about the destructive warp engines.
- And I watched, astonished, as the Enterprise was buffetted by rift forces,
- damaged, another ship was damaged, the rift grew, the other ship was
- destroyed...and *all of it* until the very end, at which point they interfaced
- some stock footage with a bit of new stuff, ALL of that other material was off-
- camera, we saw *NONE* of it! It was just like radio drama...we *hear* about
- the ship getting hit, the rift doing this, ships blowing up, but we never see
- ANY of it.
-
- This came to mind today when I saw some of the new CGI footage from "Mind
- War," which is starting to look quite extraordinary. About every four-five
- episodes, we seem to take a jump in what we can do, how much we can do, and
- how good it looks. The latest batch of stuff is absolutely breathtaking. And
- in addition to everything else, the one thing that I come away with, the one
- thing that *no one* is doing, is the absolute SCALE of the show. In addition
- to sets and CGI as standalones, we're doing some groundbreaking work in
- composites, mattes, virtual sets and other stuff.
-
- There are moments when I can't *wait* to get this show on the air to show
- people what we've done, and what we're doing.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 248 Sat Nov 20, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:22 EST
-
- Well, today we finished shooting on episode #11, meaning that we are now
- exactly halfway through production on the Babylon 5 series. This is the fifty
- yard line, still a long way to go, but it's no further ahead of us than it is
- behind us.
-
- After we'd finished shooting, I fired up bits of our first couple of
- finished episodes for John Flinn, our DP. He watched a bit, then went to get
- some others in the crew. And more came. Before I knew it, the room was full
- of people watching the finished show (or portions) for the very first time.
- The atmosphere was electric...yells of delight and pleasure, cheers and
- applause, whistles...everyone left absolutely stoked. A real boost at the
- halfway mark.
-
- Monday we begin shooting "Chrysalis." Yowza! After that follows
- "Deathwalker" (with Sarah Douglas in the lead role) by Larry the D.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 250 Sat Nov 20, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 04:26 EST
-
- The time for prep on year two, if we were to get picked up, would be
- equal to year one, with the exception that we won't have to build all of these
- sets. We'll have more time in that sense. Again, the stories are pretty much
- mapped out for five years, so that's already done. If we get renewed, we'll
- probably get the word around March, shoot beginning in July '94, and air year
- 2 in January '95. But again, this is very premature at the moment.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 259 Sun Nov 21, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 22:22 EST
-
- I'd rather wait on that until the series airs....
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 277 Thu Nov 25, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:56 EST
-
- I have no objections other than those that will likely be raised at your
- sanity hearing.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 281 Thu Nov 25, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 23:07 EST
-
- There's been a film crew here already, some time ago, during shooting,
- and several behind-the-scenes pieces have been cut of various length; one
- promotional piece of 8 minutes has already been downlinked. More, of greater
- length, will follow.
-
- We've now deliered 4 complete episodes to PTEN, and the reaction we've
- heard back has been off-the-scale enthusiastic. They're convinced we've got
- something very special here. I let Walter Koenig see a coupe of shows,
- including the director's cut of the one he's in, and he like what he saw a
- lot, and is convinced it'll be a success.
-
- So far, so good....
-
- Today was crash day. I've been running on 4 hours sleep, running around
- like a demented creature, for weeks on end now. (Larry made it a point to
- tell me that if I were to kill myself on this show that he would have to take
- over, and run the show. I pointed out that I've got an Egyptian King clause
- in my will...if I die during production, he gets entombed with me. If I go,
- I'm taking him with me.) So today I never even saw the sun; crashed around 3
- a.m. and didn't open my eyes again until 5 p.m. I feel vaguely human for the
- first time in ages.
-
- (And kind of a personal triumph; I bought a 4-pack of John Lennon CDs,
- and can finally listen to them. I wasn't a stone Beatles fan, wasn't a
- hardcase Lennon fan, but when he was killed, when that genius was stilled, I
- got so angry, so blindly *furious*...and my heart just died. Ever since that
- time, I haven't been able to listen to Lennon's work without that same rage
- killing my pleasure in the music. I'm finally, finally able to listen to it
- again, and it's playing in the background even as I type this.)
-
- Saturday is the "Midnight" screening, and we'll see what we see....
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 285 Fri Nov 26, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 21:21 EST
-
- Thanks.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 304 Mon Nov 29, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:02 EST
-
- In that "no one here is what they appear" scene, G'Kar is talking to
- Catherine Sakai (Julia Nickson), the same one later in the restaurant scene.
- It's a different look for her because that that moment she's in business mode,
- and about to head out to her survey ship, the Skydancer, for which she is
- captain and owner.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 318 Tue Nov 30, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:19 EST
-
- A few folks have noted in email that I've been kinda quiet here of late,
- and I just wanted to note that there are two reasons for this:
-
- 1) Whenever something of mine is aired, or shown, as with "Midnight," I
- tend to adopt a low profile in order to avoid influencing or directing the
- conversation.
-
- As for 2)...a word in the ear of every person reading this who uses the
- keyboard incessantly: *BUY WRIST GUARDS*. For the last year or so, I've been
- fighting carpal tunnel syndrome. The problem is that I write 10-12 hours a
- day, and when I'm going at white-heat, I've been clocked at nearly 120 words
- per minute...one person who listened noted that during one particular session
- the click-click-click didn't pause, didn't slow for nearly twenty minutes
- straight. I fall through the screen and come out somewhere else, hours later.
-
- The downside of which being...I'm having *real* problems with CTS right
- now. As we gear up for the last part of the season, I'm behind the keyboard
- constantly, when I'm not in editing. During the Thanksgiving break, I was
- averaging 20 pages a day. Early in that process, the CTS settled in bigtime.
- The pain is nearly constant, all day, all night. To pick up a can of soda is
- an exercise in profound discomfort. To *type* is beyond description. I'm
- doing everything I can to minimize it, including sending for some new wrist
- supports and wrist braces, but apparently this stuff is cumulative.
-
- It's not stopping the writing, not by so much as a comma, but it makes me
- more inclined to quick, short messages than my usual mini-novels.
- I learned a long time ago how to burn through pain, so it's not a problem on
- that level. Once the season's over, we'll evaluate where things stand, and
- whether this can be ameliorated by exercises or surgery or whatever. But I'm
- a *writer*, and that means I'll write if they cut off my arms and legs and I
- have to type with my nose. Nor is this message intended for sympathy. No
- sympathies are expected or requested. This is just one more challenge to B5.
-
-
- My only thought at this moment is with those reading this: if you do lots
- of work behind the computer, take breaks, wear wrist braces, get a support for
- your keyboard, do wrist-hand exercises. You wouldn't like this. Trust me.
-
- This show has been an act of sheer will now for nearly seven years. So
- what else is new?
-
- By Friday we finish shooting "Chrysalis," which looks *gorgeous*. Then
- comes "Deathwalker," with Sarah Douglas and Robin Curtis. It's another of our
- very tough episodes, written by Larry the D. With "Chrysalis" it's 12 down
- and 10 to go. We're on the downward slide, and it's coming up fast.
-
- Later.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 322 Tue Nov 30, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 15:03 EST
-
- Happily, the energy level here isn't flagging at all; if anything,
- there's been an infusion of energy, partially through being able to show some
- of our crew finishd episodes, so they can see the whole elephant rather than
- only isolated parts (to great reaction), and partly through the reactions at
- the con. We're all feeling very renewed and rededicated toward the show.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 330 Wed Dec 01, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:13 EST
-
- I can't dictate as fast as I can type; and I don't think in verbal terms,
- I have to see it on the scren. I tried it once, but found I'm just not a very
- good dictator (crew comments notwithstanding).
-
- A guest actor really can't add much beyond the episode in which he or she
- appears. But behind the scenes...some of our cast learned a lot while working
- with Revell, and McCallum, and some of our other classically trained guest
- actors. They were enjoyable experiences. As far as the experience they
- had...all of our guests have to date expressed a hope to return in other roles
- at some point. They've uniformly been treated well, and with respect,
- particularly those who've made their careers in SF, and are viewed as "senior
- officers" in a sense. Some have described it as the best working experience
- they've had.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 331 Wed Dec 01, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:17 EST
-
- Have just uploaded starfury.gif to the Babylon 5 library here in the
- SFRT, file #730. Just FYI.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 341 Thu Dec 02, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:39 EST
-
- If the file takes 6 minutes to download at 2400, why did it take me 18
- minutes to upload at 2400?
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 343 Thu Dec 02, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:54 EST
-
- Just uploaded two more; 749 and 750...rescue.gif and starlit.gif. The
- former is a shot of a Starfury alongside the starliner Asimov; the latter is
- an unusual angle on B5 angled with the star behind it.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 352 Thu Dec 02, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 20:21 EST
-
- Part of the problem is that I was using compression/error-free protocol.
- I turned that off, and the others went up faster.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 354 Thu Dec 02, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 22:03 EST
-
- Darn, I hadn't noticed that. See, starfury.gif is one of the very
- earliest graphic renderings we had of the fighter, mainly for in-house. The
- logos had been put on mainly for place orientation. It's not like that
- elsewhere...I'll upload a more current version. I simply didn't notice that.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 1
- Message 362 Fri Dec 03, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:47 EST
-
- If Job could take it, I can take it.
-
- And yes, that's the bottom of the starfury.
-
- The GIF of the Starfury is letterboxed/wide. Most of the others that'll
- be uploaded are conventional aspect ratio.
-
- jms
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- Topic 2 Wed Nov 20, 1991
- STARR [Arne] at 19:41 EST
- Sub: Babylon 5 -- The Series!! >>SPOILERS<<
-
- May 28th, '93, Babylon 5 officially became a series. There will be 22 hours,
- plus the 2 hours of the pilot, for season one. Airs Wednesday's at 8PM in most
- places starting Jan. '94. This is the Spoiler topic where anything goes.
-
- 415 message(s) total.
- ************
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- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 312 Sun Oct 31, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:50 EDT
-
- The bay is pressurized, with drop doors beneath each fighter. A ramp
- extends to the fighters individually, bringing on pilots. The bays are
- depressurized as the pilots (in flight suits) prepare. Then the drop doors
- open, the fighters pivot to nose-down position, and launch.
-
- jms
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- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 322 Tue Nov 02, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:12 EST
-
- Tom: the rotating lights were dumb and we dropped them.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 324 Wed Nov 03, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:58 EST
-
- Yup. We learn. Slowly, but we learn.
-
- Food...good. Fire...bad.
-
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 337 Sat Nov 06, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:40 EST
-
- It's "Your time has come and gone! It's OUR turn now!"
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 341 Sat Nov 06, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 20:56 EST
-
- Christopher Neame was an unvarnished joy to work with, and he did a truly
- spectacular job as Knight Two in "Sky." Forceful, dynamic, and his
- performance at the very end in a much quieter scene with Sinclair will make
- your hair stand on end. It's just something he says, but the implications of
- what he says, and the way he says it, is just killer. I'd love to find a way
- to bring Knight Two back at some point, and the door was somewhat left open to
- facilitate that possibility.
-
- In any event, both Christopher and Judson Scott were both terrific to
- work with.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 347 Sun Nov 07, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 20:24 EST
-
- Because the promo wasn't put together by us, but by others, whose main
- concern is finding good images which may not necessarily be associated.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 360 Tue Nov 09, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 04:47 EST
-
- No, on balance, I'd say that it has not given me a dislike for all things
- Trek. I think it comes with the turf.
-
- There are three things that I put to *some* degree on the same level, at
- least from a sociological level (though there are obvious differences in true
- or perceived quality): the Beatles, Star Trek, and Stephen King. All are
- media phenomenon, all are very much of their time. When people say, "Oh, so
- and so is the next Stephen King," that's nonsense, because King fills a
- particular slot that no one else can really hit; same with the Beatles.
- Groups may come along that may sell more records than the Beatles ever sold,
- may be even more popular, but no one else will ever play the specific social
- role that the Beatles played in their time; no one else will ever be at that
- specific juncture. They are all icons.
-
- When the Rolling Stones made Phase Two of the British invasion of the
- 1960s, they were constantly being compared to the Beatles, evaluated in terms
- of the Beatles, and it pissed them off mightily, because they weren't the
- Beatles, didn't play the same kinds of songs as the Beatles, and the only
- thing they had in common was that they were both British. But the American
- media, basically unfamiliar with the British scene, lumped them into the same
- category.
-
- Star Trek played a pivotal role in TV SF. There can be no mistake about
- that. Other shows may someday supplant it in longevity, or ratings, or
- popularity, or following, but no other show will ever take that show's place.
- No other show will ever be "the new Star Trek." Not even the, well, the new
- Star Trek(s). Trek provided a terrific foundation; it's unfortunate that in
- 25+ years, not much has been done really to build upon that foundation and
- take SF-TV to the next logical level. Maybe B5 can do that. I certainly hope
- so. Maybe not. I could be living in a fool's paradise. But if not us, then
- sooner or later, someone will take that next step.
-
- I've always liked the original Trek series, and always will. Even wrote
- an issue of the ST comic, "Worldsinger," for DC.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 364 Wed Nov 10, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:48 EST
-
- Next up is "Survivors."
-
- "Born to the Purple" got mixed this past Monday. We'll be delivering all
- three episodes this Friday to PTEN; after that, it'll be once a week. Just
- like clockwork. We're well into the groove now.
-
- Christopher Franke is developing themes for each of the characters, plus
- themes for the station, for space in general, and for our various
- aliens...something that carries a sense of the minbari, the grey council,
- others. He even wrote a wonderful little Narn libretto for G'Kar, a la
- Gilbert and Sullivan. Some elements carry across shows, but in each show
- there are new and different pieces that work wonderfully. He's nothing less
- than terrific.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 372 Thu Nov 11, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 21:20 EST
-
- Actually, I think it is "turn."
-
- Sinclair's opening narrative over the series main titles:
-
- "It was the Dawn of the Third Age of Mankind, ten years after the
- Earth/Minbari War. The Babylon Project was a dream given form, its goal: to
- prevent another war by creating a place where humans and aliens could work out
- their differences peacefully. It's a port of call, home away from home for
- diplomats, hustlers, entrepreneurs and wanderers. Humans and aliens wrapped
- in two million, five hundred thousand tons of spinning metal...all alone in
- the night.
-
- "It can be a dangerous place, but it's our last, best hope for peace.
-
- "This is the story of the last of the Babylon stations.
-
- "The year is 2258.
-
- "The name of the place...is Babylon 5."
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 379 Fri Nov 12, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:31 EST
-
- My sense is that we have Sinclair narrating from some point in the
- future. The transition of grammar takes place as we push into the station,
- from the outside in. This was the last of the Babylon stations, and this
- particular segment of it is set in 2258. (Season two would say, "The year is
- 2259." And so on.)
-
- Many here will remember a show called "You Are There." The usual
- narrator would say, paraphrasing here but keeping the grammar, "The year 1776
- was crucial to our nation's history. The founding fathers were on the brink
- of declaring independence. It's a moment of great importance. The year is
- 1776...and You Are There." It's along those lines. The purpose of the
- narrative changes to transition us into the story.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 383 Fri Nov 12, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 23:37 EST
-
- The tense shifts are intentional, and go with the scenes we're seeing.
- They're *supposed* to shift, with the visuals, in order to bring us into the
- present from the future, at which point this story is being introduced.
-
- BTW, does anyone know if the GEnie/Internet relay is down or something?
- Usually there's 50 or so messages a day in my mailbox here from the Internet
- relay, and the last 2 days or so there's been nada.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 399 Sat Nov 20, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:08 EST
-
- Yes, he's a nifty guy, no mistake. And I think we might be able to work
- out something....
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 402 Tue Nov 23, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:25 EST
-
- Because PTEN is very high on the shows we're delivering, there may be
- some modification in airdate scheduling, to create real momentum, but I don't
- know anything firm about that yet.
-
- The date I hear most often re: the debut is January 26th.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 405 Wed Nov 24, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:24 EST
-
- The rotating sphere you saw was probably the starliner Asimov; the thing
- in the asteroid field is...a command and control vessel. A command and
- control vessel for *what*...I won't say.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 406 Wed Nov 24, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:27 EST
-
- So, Fenn...you liked it, eh? I forgot to mention that I haven't yet seen
- the material; it should be arriving at the office tomorrow. I imagine they
- highlighted the action, and the CGI, and the aliens (which is pretty much
- stet), since it's hard to really indicate characterization in a quick promo.
- Any other reactions?
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 2
- Message 409 Thu Nov 25, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:00 EST
-
- Just saw the promo. The Narn woman is Caitlin Brown (Na'Toth). What is
- in the promo is taken almost entirely from the first two episodes, with just a
- smidge from #3. Which may give you some indication of how much action is *in*
- the first couple episodes (and in many epiosodes thereafter)
- -- definitely keeping the thing moving.
-
- I'd say that n'grath would count as a non-humanoid alien, yes? (Just
- keeping an eye on my promises here....)
-
- jms
- ------------
- ************
- Topic 3 Tue Nov 03, 1992
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:09 EST
- Sub: Babylon 5 - Computer SFX Tech-Talk
-
- Some of the new computer EFX used in BABYLON 5 will be revolutionary, a new
- approach never seen before on this scale. It's all new tech, and this topic
- will try and address the new technologies involved.
- 211 message(s) total.
- ************
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 3
- Message 167 Tue Nov 02, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:14 EST
-
- No comment at this time.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 3
- Message 192 Wed Nov 10, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:52 EST
-
- Actually, we're not using the Harry. First, it wasn't up to the level we
- wanted to strive for, and second the best harry guy we could find had some
- "theological problems" with "Soul Hunter" and we felt that we weren't getting
- as good as we could. So we've switched over to a new system.
-
- The rotoscope and other visual EFX are now being done on computer, as are
- the cgi. On a Mac, to be precise, by an EFX designer who's one of the best in
- town, possibly the best, who's known locally as "Mr. Electricity." He did the
- same kind of work on T2, Total Recall and other features. He's interfaced
- with our other technical people, and the result is really *very*
- extraordinary, considerably more extensive and better looking than what's
- usually done on TV.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 3
- Message 195 Fri Nov 12, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:31 EST
-
- Nope. Kevin Kutchaver.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 3
- Message 201 Sun Nov 28, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 21:52 EST
-
- We did some library stuff in the first few eps, but as we've ben (been)
- spending more time, we've built up more, and generally we have 3-4 new
- establishers per ep. So there's less and less of it the deeper you get into
- the series. (And when you come down to it, a shot of the station against a
- planet is going to be pretty much the same in general, unless there's specific
- activity going on around it.)
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 3
- Message 206 Wed Dec 01, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:14 EST
-
- And airplanes will never be commercially successful.
-
- BTW, I've gotten permission to upload a few images after all, and may do
- so in the next week or so....
-
- jms
- ------------
- ************
- Topic 4 Tue Nov 03, 1992
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:12 EST
- Sub: Babylon 5 - Cast & Characters
-
- For discussion of the actors who will be bringing BABYLON 5 to life with their
- performances...for information before, and discussion after the airing of "The
- Gathering" pilot.
- 424 message(s) total.
- ************
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 4
- Message 378 Wed Nov 10, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:53 EST
-
- Once the decision was made to make her definitely female, that led us to
- modify the makeup. Also, the original make up was done with very little lead
- time, and some things we liked, some things we didn't. It's now sleeker,
- more attractive, and easier to apply and take off.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 4
- Message 380 Thu Nov 11, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:12 EST
-
- Since we only really got a good look at one Minbari, it's kind of a moot
- point. The new lines are generally consistent throughout Minbari.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 4
- Message 408 Tue Nov 30, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:21 EST
-
- If it's the pilot review, which I've seen...yeah, the only thing the guy
- likes is ST, it seems. We had a long go-round. Old news.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 4
- Message 410 Tue Nov 30, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 15:01 EST
-
- We've just delivered tapes to PTEN publicity, so critics should be
- getting it soon enough. My *hunch* is that they'll probably get copies of
- "Midnight" and "Soul Hunter."
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 4
- Message 413 Wed Dec 01, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 14:02 EST
-
- If the CGI were cheesy, please explain to me the Emmy currently sitting
- on Ron Thornton's desk....
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 4
- Message 420 Thu Dec 02, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:44 EST
-
- Fast question: I saw a flier at LosCon for some room party, over a couple
- of days, that had @! inside an Earth Alliance badge silhouette, and talked
- about docking bays, open for business, that sort of thing. Do any of you who
- attended know *anything* about what this was?
-
- jms
- ------------
- ************
- Topic 12 Wed Nov 18, 1992
- B.WIST [Brad] at 18:12 EST
- Sub: Babylon 5 Sightings
-
- Post here when you've spotted Babylon 5, whether it be on Television,
- Magazine, or somewhere else. Let us know where we can find it/see it, too.
- 448 message(s) total.
- ************
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 12
- Message 406 Thu Nov 18, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:29 EST
-
- He tried.
-
- I was.
-
- It isn't.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 12
- Message 413 Fri Nov 19, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 14:01 EST
-
- I haven't seen it, but understand there's a piece on Ron Thornton in the
- new WIRED...page 88-89.
-
- jms
- ------------
- ************
- Topic 13 Mon Nov 23, 1992
- T.ORTH [Mr. Rico] at 21:00 EST
- Sub: Babylon 5 - Science & Technology
-
- Jump gates, nanotech, high-tech weapons, starship drives, sound in space, and
- other subjects of science and technology in Babylon 5.
- 504 message(s) total.
- ************
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 13
- Message 442 Thu Nov 04, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 14:31 EST
-
- There is nothing wrong with the launch sequence. It causes them to move
- directly away from the station, on a slight spiral, facing out to the stars
- from the pilot's POV. Whether or not it looks funky has little to do with
- whether or not this is the most efficient means of doing this. I think it's
- kind of funky that the space shuttle flies upside down while in orbit, its
- cargo bay facing down toward Earth, but that's the way it's done, and there
- are good reasons for it. We sat down for a very long time with a bunch of
- designers and techies who know physics and know math and know flight dynamics,
- we ran computer models, and the physics are right.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 13
- Message 463 Mon Nov 08, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 22:34 EST
-
- If what you think I said is correct, then what you think I said is what I
- said. If what I might have said was not correct, then what I might have said
- is not what I said, incorrectly.
-
- This message will self-destruct as soon as anyone manages to parse the
- grammar....
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 13
- Message 481 Sun Nov 21, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:49 EST
-
- There are no tractor beams in use, or available, for the most part.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 13
- Message 484 Sun Nov 21, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 19:44 EST
-
- Our medical advisor tells us that regen technology should be well in hand
- within the next 100 years, so you can grow back damaged internal organs and
- the like, and avoid having to do transplants. Also that the system of surgery
- is moving toward non-invasive procedures, using light in more and different
- ways.
-
- He went on past that, but there was some math involved...
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 13
- Message 491 Wed Nov 24, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 18:14 EST
-
- Many of the huge transports that'll be coming to B5 were never meant to
- operate within an atmosphere, they're strictly deep range starships, to which
- you transfer using atmosphere-capable shuttles. We're not talking little
- flits, we're talking about ships that can be as big as a mile across.
- Dropping something that huge down into the gravity well of a planet is just
- unworkable. If you want something that can handle lots of big ships, it *has*
- to be in space...as in a station.
-
- You could park a big ship near a planet, and use lots of shuttles to
- unload it down to the planet (gravity well, heavy cargo, lots of fuel, lots of
- time, more accidents), then haul it right back *up* again when it's sold or
- transferred...or you could build a station in zero G where your big transport
- just parks alongside, loads or unloads its cargo in zero gravity, and transfer
- it where needed.
-
- And the atmosphere of the planet is no longer breathable.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 13
- Message 500 Wed Dec 01, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 19:41 EST
-
- The explosion damaged the auto-configuration system which keeps the
- rotation/flywheel system working smoothly. (This is also indicated in
- dialogue in the observation dome.) That more than anything else would cause
- real problems.
-
- jms
- ------------
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- Topic 24 Fri Jun 04, 1993
- J.ROY18 [Jonathan] at 21:11 EDT
- Sub: Babylon 5 - Weapons and Warfare!
-
- For discussion about the weapons, counter weapons, armor, shielding, tactics,
- logistics, and so forth, of small combat and large scale war in the Babylon 5
- universe.
- 323 message(s) total.
- ************
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 24
- Message 322 Fri Dec 03, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 03:04 EST
-
- They are both guns.
-
- The canopy closes and locks. If hit, there's at least the opportunity
- for the canopy section to eject from the rest of the craft before it's
- destroyed.
-
- jms
- ------------
- ************
- Topic 25 Fri Mar 12, 1993
- S.SHELLENBAR [>> SHANE <<] at 08:47 EST
- Sub: J. Michael Straczynski Speaks in Public
-
- This is the place to find out where and when JMS will be appearing next. JMS
- has honed his skills as a public speaker and is taking his act on the road.
- 394 message(s) total.
- ************
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 25
- Message 351 Wed Nov 17, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 04:40 EST
-
- I get the sense that this room -- large as it is -- may end up packed.
- We will be showing "Midnight." Plus some scenes from other shows. Plus we
- may have some cast members present. Plus the funniest out-take from the show.
-
-
- Better grab your seats early; this'll be a biggie. And probably the only
- West Coast showing of an episode prior to airing. (Probably the only showing
- anywhere, at least as of this writing.)
-
- (Those who've seen sections of both at cons...I assume that "Midnight" is
- the better episode to show, since it's got more action, and takes the time to
- reintroduce all of our characters...though I like "Soul" as a character
- episode a *lot*. Thing is, only Delenn is there of our group of ambassadors.
- I'd love to show "Mind War," but it won't be ready, since we just finished it,
- same with "Parliament." What does one do when there are so many good episodes
- it's hard to decide? Anyway, "Midnight" seems the best choice to me. Those
- who've seen the two clips...thoughts?)
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 25
- Message 358 Thu Nov 18, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:33 EST
-
- Matt: okay, if you're sure...I always worry. I've seen the damn thing so
- many times, I lose perspective. I keep thinking it's a tad on the slow side
- at times. Then I look at it again and think otherwise.
-
- Last year, when we showed the pilot -- its West Coast debut -- there was
- a near-riot over seating. From what I'm hearing, the Saturday screening is
- likely to be *packed*. Come early.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 25
- Message 366 Fri Nov 19, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:41 EST
-
- I think I'll probably go with "Midnight" since there may well be some
- cast members attending, and of our various ambassadors, only Delenn appears in
- "Soul," and if we're going to have any of the others there, it would be a good
- idea to have an episode in which they all appear.
-
- BTW, just saw the cut version of "Mind War." It's even better than I'd
- hoped. It *moves* like an express train. And Walter is absolutely
- terrific...those of you who've only seen him as Chekhov will get a whole new
- perspective on him as an actor after this one.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 25
- Message 371 Sun Nov 21, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:22 EST
-
- Confirmed for LosCon's B5 presentation: Michael O'Hare, Mira Furlan,
- Peter Jurasik, and maybe more to come.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 25
- Message 381 Fri Nov 26, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 21:23 EST
-
- Just as a reminder...I zone out when I do these things, so if I don't
- immediately recognize you, or note the name, by all means say, "Hey, I'm Brett
- Jaffee," or note your handle, which should be enough to jar me out of my
- trance. When I'm in performance mode, I get vague and just sorta smile and
- nod a lot....
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 25
- Message 387 Sun Nov 28, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 02:19 EST
-
- The one thing I asked, as a personal favor, was that a detailed blow-for-
- blow summary *not* be posted for the time being; we've got two months to air,
- and I don't want the show to become old in that time.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 25
- Message 392 Sun Nov 28, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 18:13 EST
-
- There were no problems with the projector. We started promptly, and on
- time. I'm a big punctuality nut; we showed the out-take at 11:00 sharp (as a
- bonus to those who were there spot on time), and launched into the screening
- itself by about 11:10-15.
-
- (I'm one of those terrible people who always shows up on time for a
- meeting, or early...and is, despite my best efforts, always the first person
- to arrive at a party. People hate me.)
-
- jms
- ------------
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- Topic 26 Sun Jun 06, 1993
- G.PLANA [Gary] at 01:51 EDT
- Sub: Babylon 5 - Episode titles and info
-
- This topic is for information about individual episodes -- their titles,
- writers, and any other information JMS may leak!
- 141 message(s) total.
- ************
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 26
- Message 130 Sat Nov 06, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 21:10 EST
-
- By the way...on the Kosh poisoning thread, which was originally to be
- discussed in "Parliament"...we ended up about 3 minutes long on "Parliament,"
- and three minutes short on D.C. Fontana's "War Prayer." So we lifted that
- scene and inserted it into her episode, doing a small bit of ADR to facilitate
- the move. It's now quite seamless.
-
- There's some small amount of blurring that goes on in this show; a
- freelancer turns in a script, and things get added. For instance, there was a
- need to really tighten up the story in "Believers," which could best be done
- by bringing in a small B story, which would allow us to streamline and
- intensify the main story. So I wrote the B story and slipped it in. In
- "Grail," for instance, there's a courtroom scene with a character named Mr.
- Flinn that was added to the script (I won't reveal what happens, but it's very
- funny.)
-
- And of course nearly all of the freelance scripts have been based on
- assigned stories, something that's developed in-house (particularly if it's an
- arc story) and then given to a writer to do the full outline and script. So
- far the only story developed *outside* our offices first is D.C. Fontana's
- second script, "Legacies."
-
- In none of these, however, will you see more than one writer's name on
- the script. Just the writer who did the draft. This is a policy I've had for
- a long time, starting on JAKE. It's somewhat pro forma for some story editors
- or producers to do a rewrite, or add a scene, and then slap their name on the
- finished script...which cuts into the freelance writer's residuals forever
- thereafter. My feeling is that if you're on staff, you are being compensated
- well for your work, and should leave the freelancers alone. The residuals are
- really their only way of making any real money off these things. So we had a
- non-arbitration policy on JAKE, also on MURDER, and now on B5. You'll never
- see a gang credit on this show. Having been a freelancer myself, this sems
- the only fair way to run things.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 26
- Message 135 Thu Nov 11, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 00:13 EST
-
- That's correct.
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 26
- Message 138 Wed Dec 01, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:17 EST
-
- There's a mistake. Which episode(s) have her listed?
-
- jms
- ------------
- Category 18, Topic 26
- Message 140 Thu Dec 02, 1993
- STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:46 EST
-
- The scene was cut for time; it may yet appear elsewhere.
-
- jms
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